The 7 Deadly Sins..., What is sinful to you? Options

This question came about today because some of the members here have spoken about how morals are relative. Some hold deeply to their religion, some aren't very religious but are very moral, some like the dark side of everything and seek it out, and some (like myself) tend to be on the amoral side. But what really inspired me to make this poll was that some hold the view that certain morals are strict while others are relative. For example, one person said that murder, lust, and greed are all fixed wrong behavior in addition to any personal views on sin, and if you perform the said sinful actions, that it can screw with your magick and color your karma.

Lust was listed as a "fixed" sin, but personally, I don't find anything wrong with it. And I'm not a perv or sleezy guy at all or anything like that, rather, I truly believe that there is nothing wrong with carnal lust and acting on it. I can droningly say with my mouth "lust is wrong," but I don't truly feel this. I wonder what other sins people here feel is or is not "wrong" in the stereotypical sense.

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Are you a Christian? Only a Christian can throw scripture at me like that, show a strong dislike for the Catholic Church, and accept the false Lucifer-myth as fact.

Wrong. I was mulling it over in my head for some time as to whether or not this deserved its own thread, but the first of the ten commandments is the MOST misinterpreted verse in the entire Bible. The first commandment says "Thou shalt have no other gods before me."

According to this verse, God does allow us to worship other gods... as long as he is first among them. Here's how I know (it's so simple it's stupid): the first commandment says "Thou shalt have any gods BEFORE me;" it does not say "Thou shalt have not other gods EXCEPT me." For litterally thousands of years Christians and Jews have misinterpreted this verse, especially Christians, to think that that verse ment exclusivity to God. Abraham worshipped the Sun, Moon, and Stars, but he paid his greatest homage to God and God respectd that.

So true, but then he would fall into the pride category. After all, Lucifer allegedly wanted to be first and god gave him the boot. Any diety that demands to be worshipped FIRST and FOREMOST is prideful at the least.

Wrong. You're confusing two words.

Envy -- wanting something that belongs to another. Covetousness.

Jealousy -- wanting to keep what already belongs to oneself.

So what does god want to keep? I mean, if he has everything, or at least has the potential to have everything, then what does god (who is alledgedly omnipotent) have to worried about being deprived of?

This was more of looking over creation in its splendor rather than being lazy, not unlike a carpenter looking over a mansion he just finished building while sitting in a lawn chair having a beer.

In truth this would be unnecessary, since he already knew exactly what the world was going to look like.

Also, did god himself come down to visit his wrath upon those he hated? No. He had his sheeple do it for him.

The angels weren't made in his image, the djinn weren't, the animals weren't, the plants weren't-- we are the only creations to ever be fashioned in his image, and we're likely the last. It's more of a unique gift to us rather than pride. Besides, he calls us his children, and don't children look like their parents?

Actually, if you think about it, the angels looked so much like god that Nebachadnezzar said that the one that appeared in the furnace looked "like the son of God".

Feast = celebration. You also eat from the Tree of Life to grow stronger spiritually. And where in the Bible does it say that gluttony is a sin?

Gluttony is folly. Sin and folly are the same thing, as sin literally means "to miss (the mark)". If you believe otherwise, then you might as well say that a drunken hobo on the street who is mad all the time, and is very proud of himself, is'nt a sinner.

This is twisted semantics and calling it "proof" while looking at only one side. It was every girl's greatest dream to be mother of the Messiah. If Mary did not want to bear the Messiah, God would not force it on her. There is this little thing called "free will" that God honors. It's why we have war

Mary was "the chosen mother of Christ", she couldnt of said no, or who know's what that sicko would've done, besides she was what, 14 years old? And i wouldnt say that every woman wanted the responsiblilty of being the mother of god's son.

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This post has been edited by Noxifer_616: Jul 29 2007, 11:33 PM

Are you a Christian? Only a Christian can throw scripture at me like that, show a strong dislike for the Catholic Church, and accept the false Lucifer-myth as fact.

Christian-Pagan might be closer. My mother was a fundamentalist and force-fed me scripture for the 10 years that I was an atheist so that's how I know so much of the Bible. However, I've gotten back into spirituality and I'm exploring and introducing new ideas and concepts into what I believe; I like to think that my beliefs are a bit like Abraham's.

The Catholic church oppressed people for 1,500 years, justified their actions as "the will of God" when God gave no authorization to do what they did (and much of what they did is specifically condemned), and still carry some of these oppressions to today. "No man cometh unto the Father but by me" is what Jesus said. Not a priest. Not a cardinal. Not a pope. It is a one-on-one relationship we are supposed to have with God, not a filtered (often false) message through another. I don't even listen to Prodestant televangelists. The priesthood was done away with when Christ died on the cross.

Apparently, I have an axe to grind when it comes to the erroneous teachings of Catholicism. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/butcher.gif) I don't hate Catholics so much as their teachings and leaders. *mutters* ...and those arrogant priests... looking down on the rest of us while raping our kids... making up excuses to torture and slaughter Pagans, Witches, Jews, Prodestants, etc... *mutters some more*

Lucifer-myth? What are you talking about?

So true, but then he would fall into the pride category. After all, Lucifer allegedly wanted to be first and god gave him the boot. Any diety that demands to be worshipped FIRST and FOREMOST is prideful at the least.

Perhaps. But if you ever become a father, would you want your kids to esteem their friends and THEIR parents above you?

So what does god want to keep? I mean, if he has everything, or at least has the potential to have everything, then what does god (who is alledgedly omnipotent) have to worried about being deprived of?

It's a parenting issue. Let's say one of your kids has developed a strong relationship with you and you two work on cars together, fish together, play sports, etc.; then suddenly, he want's nothing to do with you because now your child is having fun with someone else's dad instead. Wouldn't you be hurt and/or ticked at this?

In truth this would be unnecessary, since he already knew exactly what the world was going to look like.

All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.

Also, did god himself come down to visit his wrath upon those he hated? No. He had his sheeple do it for him.

Good point. He sometimes did it himself (like at Jerico or plaguing the Israelites in the desert [the bronze serpent thing]), but mostly he had others do it. I think it is because God has us work for what we want ("by the sweat of thy brow") instead of handing what we want to us on a silver platter. The Israelites wanted Caanan, the land that God promised Abraham, but they would have God's assistance in attaining it rather than leaving ALL of the work to him.

Actually, if you think about it, the angels looked so much like god that Nebachadnezzar said that the one that appeared in the furnace looked "like the son of God".

Some scholars believe that that fourth person in the fiery furnace was Jesus before he was born on this planet as a human, but I'm not so sure. It could very well have been a protective angel and its glory awed Nebachadnezzar to the point that he said that. I guess we won't find out until we die, or use divination.

The image of God is not physical appearance, but rather a spiritual reflection. When you look at the angels, their power is fixed. They only have as much power as they were given when first created. We, however, are born with only a small amount of power but can grow to exponential levels, becoming something like mini-gods. (A bit crude of a term to use, but I don't know how else to explain it.) One of the properties of God that was passed to us is the ability to create. Angels don't have the power to create egregores, gods, or other spirits, but we do.

Gluttony is folly. Sin and folly are the same thing, as sin literally means "to miss (the mark)". If you believe otherwise, then you might as well say that a drunken hobo on the street who is mad all the time, and is very proud of himself, is'nt a sinner.

Sin and folly are not the same thing. The English word "sin" is actually an archery term to describe the distance of the bull's eye from the archer. When you fire an arrow and miss, you have "missed the mark" or "missed the target." The Hebrew word for sin is avera, which entirely different from a highjacked archery term. There are basically three kinds of avera: the intentional sin (B'mezid) which is the most serious, accidental avera (B'shogeg) which isn't as bad but still held accountable for it, and an avera of ignorance (Tinok Shenishba) in which one is not held responsible since the person didn't know the Law.

Folly, however, means "the state or quality of being foolish; lack of understanding, sense, or foresight." Fools aren't automatically condemned, and neither is your drunken hobo. Well, he is in a sense, but not for any of the behavior you listed. Paul said "for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God," and David said "in sin did my mother conceive me" (referring to the curse of sin passed on through generations, aka the knowledge of good and evil). So your hobo is a sinner due to being human, not by being a fool.

Mary was "the chosen mother of Christ", she couldnt of said no, or who know's what that sicko would've done,

Uh, yes she could have said "no." Similar happens today. There was a preacher who owned a casino and was paid a visit by an angel in church who told him to get rid of it. He looked up at the ceiling and said, "Jesus, you can just go to hell!" and he walked down the center asile right out of the church, never stepping foot behind a podium again.

besides she was what, 14 years old?

Was Mary 14? I dunno. Doesn't really matter though considering the Jewish coming-of-age is around 12; sometimes earlier depending on how well the child grasps the concept of avera/sin. 12 also around the age when their parents chose a spouse for them. In fact, Europeans adopted many of these concepts for their children up until the 1700s. Things worked differently back then, and also keep in mind that the average life span was 30-40 years.

And i wouldnt say that every woman wanted the responsiblilty of being the mother of god's son.

Of course not every singe woman wanted that responsibility, but look at how much girls mother their dolls. Girls were told that one day the Messiah would be born into this world and save their people. It wouldn't be hard for a girl to put 2 and 2 together and her motherly love would flare up at the thought of possibly being the special person to give birth to the Messiah.