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 Goetic Experiment - Gremory, The evocation fails, can you hazard a guess why?
Theodor Voland
post Jul 16 2007, 03:05 PM
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Hi all,

I've been working on a Goetic evocation of Gremory for some time now, following Imperial Arts' instructions (that is to say: following the instructions in the text exactly). So far, I have not had any success whatsoever and, having run out of ideas, I would like to ask for your help in identifying potential flaws or issues in either my tools or procedures (or both). I've PMed the contents of this post to Imperial Arts, but I thought it may be beneficial to post it publicly as well, on the chance that someone else may learn from my mistakes.

Here, then, is my setup.



Tools

Robe - white linen, self-made; the hat is made from the same material with a pointy top and sides coming over the ears

No belt (I have yet to acquire the lion skin necessary)

A silver disk with the pentagram of Solomon inscribed on one side around the neck

A copper disk with the pentagram of Solomon inscribed on one side and the seal of Gremory on the other

A hexagram of Solomon made from calf skin with the figure burnt into it; covered by a piece of linen cloth and attached to the skirt of the robe by a pin

A silver ring with three names inscribed on it

Hyssop oil - proper, 100% pure oil, purchased from a friend who mixes her own

Sword - an cast iron sword

Hazel wand - just that, a hazel wand

An incense burner with a charcoal and benzoin incense

A mix of sulphur + asafetida in a container - though I admit, I never have used this stuff

Chains - set of chains to suspend the stinky mixture and seal above a flame on a sword blade

Circle - 9 feet in diameter, fashioned after the diagram in MS 2731 (using the names + sigils of planets); names are in English (as per two of the MS's and to keep consistent with the rest of the inscriptions, which are in English); the circle is drawn on a large piece of canvas; the four candle 'holders' (pentagrams) are on separate squares of canvas positioned around the circle

Triangle - 3 feet on each side, 2 feet away from the circle in the East; names as in MS; circle in the middle unshaded/uncolored


Procedure

-Working on the even days of the waxing moon (e.g. today - July 16, 2007 - being the 2nd day of the moon)

-Working shortly after sunrise (because I'm dealing with a duke here)

-Begin by washing my face and hands (while reciting the Psalm) and applying Hyssop oil to eyes (closed! :-) , eyebrows, and temples (the stuff burns, but no permanent damage...I hope)

-Next, I put on the robe, then pentacles (silver and copper), then ring, then hat, all the while reciting the proper passage ("I cloath myself...")

-Then, I light the four candles and step into the circle

-Kneeling, I recite the prayers from book 5

-At the completion of the above, I begin by reading the first Conjuration as per MS 3825

-The above step is repeated several times and if nothing happens, I go on to 2nd Conjuration, then Constraint, then Invocation of King (Amaymon, in this case), then repeat Conjuration 1+2+Constraint, then Curse of Chains

-if all of the above fails to produce any noticeable results whatsoever, this is where I stop, read a slightly modified version of 'License to Depart' and finish

I presume (perhaps incorrectly) that if my actions up to the point of Conjuration of Fire yielded in no result, there is little point to stinking up the place with the fire and sulfur.


And that's that. During this whole procedure there is nothing at all that happens. There are no sounds, temperature changes, light changes, etc. I presume that lack of *any* results indicates a crucial flaw in the operation, for that would be the case in any other scientific experiment.


Any ideas/thoughts/comments?


Many thanks,

-Theodor

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QUOTE(Heebeejeebees @ Aug 2 2007, 01:42 PM) *
You're reading the conjurations but how are you reading them? When you perform the invocation of the bornless one do you feel the invocated force? When you speak the conjurations it should feel as through your speaking with the voice of the bornless one, with complete authority. When speaking the conjurations you must give yourself to the words, you must feel as though your voice rings to the end of the universe. Are you standing there uttering the words beneath your breath? If so then you must speak loudly and clearly. Are you reading the words flatly? If so you must invest emotion and sweat into reading the conjurations. Listen to a politician giving a rousing speech, putting their entire body into saying those words, this is a good example of how to speak the conjurations.

How dark is it in the room where you perform the evocations? The only sources of light in the room should be from the candles illuminating the edge of the circle.

How much incense are you using? The two times I achieved full manifestation of decarbia, after I had finished the operation and flicked the lightswitch there was a very thick veil of smoke obscuring the ceiling.

When you make mistakes in the conjurations do you try to correct yourself? Do you find yourself faltering? If you do you mustn't let it distract you, you mustn't allow any mistakes you make in the pronunciation of the words to disrupt the flow of your speech.



THIS is why I've avoided working with the Goetia. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/book.gif)



Too much crap to buy and/or make ... everything has to be said and done just so, lest the entity in question become angry ...

Too many chances for error. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/butcher.gif)

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Theodor Voland   Goetic Experiment - Gremory   Jul 16 2007, 03:05 PM
loki   Hi all, I've been working on a Goetic evocati...   Jul 16 2007, 04:34 PM
Theodor Voland   Hi loki, Thank you for your reply. My comments ar...   Jul 16 2007, 04:48 PM
loki   Theodor, your obviously right about the greater an...   Jul 16 2007, 05:02 PM
Theodor Voland   Quick follow-up for those who are interested. I pe...   Jul 18 2007, 11:32 AM
J*S   TV, Do you place a censer in the triangle or have...   Jul 19 2007, 02:40 AM
Theodor Voland   Hi J*S, My censer is inside the circle, because I...   Jul 19 2007, 10:30 AM
Jaguar   Hi J*S, My censer is inside the circle, because I...   Nov 13 2007, 03:52 PM
Theodor Voland   Hi Jaguar, Thank you for your reply. Your respons...   Nov 13 2007, 04:35 PM
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Theodor Voland   That's what you're missing. ... It'll ...   Nov 14 2007, 04:17 PM
Jaguar   Hi Jaguar, Could you elaborate more on your repli...   Nov 15 2007, 03:48 PM
Theodor Voland   Those were the basic neccessities. According to w...   Nov 15 2007, 03:57 PM
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altpath   Slayden, Since he's going by imperial arts pr...   Jul 21 2007, 04:01 PM
Slayden   Umm...... :fool: I mean.... they're also so ...   Jul 22 2007, 02:02 AM
Theodor Voland   Hi altpath, Thank you for your reply. I think you...   Jul 22 2007, 11:18 PM
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altpath   That's a good point slayden, but what I meant ...   Jul 22 2007, 02:52 PM
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Heebeejeebees   Theodor, You're reading the conjurations but ...   Aug 2 2007, 11:42 AM
Theodor Voland   Heebeejeebees, Thank you for your post. My commen...   Aug 2 2007, 11:58 AM
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