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Slayden
post Aug 11 2007, 01:48 AM
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I'm wasn't sure if I should have put this here in Esoteric Discussions, Left Hand Path, or in the Ceremonial Magick forums so I put it here.

Ressurection can be performed by a few Christian evangelists today, but is there an occult way to do it? Also, what about animation? what Hollywood enjoys calling "zombies." I don't care how light, dark, good, or evil the magick is. I want to know if it is possible to do it, whether for kicks, servitors, or just saying "I can," or if it's simply fantasy. And I'm not talking about Necromancy, as that is just summoning the spirits of the deceased to acquire information. I'm talking about bodies on the physical plane getting up and walking. Could a spirit be channeled into a dead body to possess and use it as a vessel?

Basically I wan't to know two things:

1. Can someone be brought back to life (truly alive) by occult means.

2. Is it possible to animate the dead (dead but moving).


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post Aug 11 2007, 05:23 PM
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Where have you heard that some christian evangelists can resurrect people? I have never heard of a confirmed case of resurrection, just some biblical stories which may or may not be true...

Which isn't to say that I don't believe it's possible. Theoretically, it is - depending on the state of the body. I think it's a rare circumstance that will allow for a body to be brought back to life in a real way - the organs must still be intact, and the body would have to be recently deceased. However, death is the result of a severing of the connection between body, mind, and spirit. An adept could, I believe, reconstitute that connection between the parts, and bring a person back to life, though what kind of life is a harder question.

Actual, reanimated corpses, i.e., zombie like beings, are right out. Magick only appears to be supernatural, it doesn't really operate outside universal law, just outside scientifically accepted laws. A body still has to be able to function, and if the process of decay has already begun, it's doubtful that the body would have any activity regardless of what spirit you put in there. Now, using a body for some kind of necromantic divination via the invocation of a spirit into the corpse, may be another story, but i'm not versed in necromancy proper so I hesitate to speculate - just heard a few things here and there.

If there had been a case of resurrection, you can bet that the world would have jumped on it - most cases of 'resurrection' are a matter of the resuscitation of people not-quite-dead, rather than truly dead individuals, and are debunked as such. Now, whether that's actually the case or just how it was discredited is harder to say without being there, but given the mechanics and the exceedingly rare capability to do so, i'm inclined to believe that it's more likely a mistaken case of death than a genuine resurrection.

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Slayden   Raising And/or Animating The Dead   Aug 11 2007, 01:48 AM
Umbra Euri   Greetings! Oddly enough I recently watched a ...   Aug 11 2007, 09:32 PM
Vagrant Dreamer   Here you go - http://www.unbelief.org/articles/rai...   Aug 11 2007, 11:17 PM
Slayden   Not really a party trick. I'll admit there are...   Aug 12 2007, 02:48 AM
Vagrant Dreamer   A: Africa in general is a nation rife with the sor...   Aug 12 2007, 08:17 AM
Uni_Verse   The most difficult part would be managing to find ...   Aug 15 2007, 08:40 PM
Vagrant Dreamer   The most difficult part would be managing to find ...   Aug 15 2007, 11:30 PM
Uni_Verse   More, your experiences and body are like puzzle pi...   Aug 15 2007, 11:57 PM
Vagrant Dreamer   More, your experiences and body are like puzzle pi...   Aug 16 2007, 07:54 AM
Uni_Verse   The self is your current experiences in the karmic...   Aug 17 2007, 09:27 AM
Vagrant Dreamer   The self is your current experiences in the karmic...   Aug 17 2007, 11:23 AM
Uni_Verse   No, I do not speak of the Self as the Ego. The Eg...   Aug 17 2007, 07:13 PM
Uni_Verse   Ah, I thought of a good way to put it... Upon th...   Aug 17 2007, 08:25 PM
Paradox   So do we all agree that we can raise the dead or i...   Aug 21 2007, 07:22 AM
Vagrant Dreamer   I believe that to be the most likely form of resur...   Aug 21 2007, 08:51 AM
Eroscupidonamor   Reinhard Bonke... a penticostal christian I think ...   Aug 21 2007, 08:56 AM
Paradox   And out of curiosity, how much energy do you think...   Aug 21 2007, 05:51 PM
Vagrant Dreamer   Before you answer, think about: what kind of ene...   Aug 21 2007, 06:36 PM
Paradox   lol you are on a role this week, I agree science d...   Aug 22 2007, 02:21 AM

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