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post Aug 11 2007, 01:48 AM
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I'm wasn't sure if I should have put this here in Esoteric Discussions, Left Hand Path, or in the Ceremonial Magick forums so I put it here.

Ressurection can be performed by a few Christian evangelists today, but is there an occult way to do it? Also, what about animation? what Hollywood enjoys calling "zombies." I don't care how light, dark, good, or evil the magick is. I want to know if it is possible to do it, whether for kicks, servitors, or just saying "I can," or if it's simply fantasy. And I'm not talking about Necromancy, as that is just summoning the spirits of the deceased to acquire information. I'm talking about bodies on the physical plane getting up and walking. Could a spirit be channeled into a dead body to possess and use it as a vessel?

Basically I wan't to know two things:

1. Can someone be brought back to life (truly alive) by occult means.

2. Is it possible to animate the dead (dead but moving).


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post Aug 12 2007, 02:48 AM
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Not really a party trick. I'll admit there are far more frauds regarding resurrection than real ones, but that doesn't automatically mean the real ones don't exist, just as stage magicians don't discount what you and I practice.

http://www.cephasministry.com/world_church...ection_man.html

Skip all the Biblical refferences if you like (that's what I did) but read the story. A pastor was in a car accident and suffered sever brain and chest damage. Shortly after, he was pronounced dead. For TWO DAYS he was in the mortuary and his body injected with embalming fluid. Doctors were there at his death. The mortician did a full autopsy and filled out his death certificate.

His wife, however, had his body transferred to their church after this. There they prayed, layed hands on him, and he began breathing again. His brain and chest damage was healed and he got out of the casket. He's alive to this day and sometimes likes to show off his death certificate, humorously earning him the title "Resurrection Man".

No one, no one, could survive two days in a frozen locker that is a mortuary and a full autopsy (where they cut a "T" into the torso, remove each organ and weigh it one at a time, cut open the throat and analyze the larynx and pharynx, etc). The guy was dead. Croaked. Canned. And now he lives, with full medical documentation. Such power! I want this for myself, but I don't want to go through the 30+ years of faith-building to maybe get a chance at doing it. Doing it via the occult would be much more efficient.


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post Aug 12 2007, 08:17 AM
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A: Africa in general is a nation rife with the sort of legal laxness that would allow for all supporting documentation to be faked.
B: That website is a ministry website, not a scientific journal. They have a stake in the story. They didn't name any names other than the man raised from the dead, and other ministers. Give me a doctor to contact who can confirm this man was dead in the first place.

As for occult power - who says it doesn't take 30+ years of work? Don't be deceived into thinking the occult is any sort of 'quick path' to power. Expect it to take your whole life, dedicate your whole life to it, or get out of the ring - attaining adepthood takes a long time, or tremendous talent, the kind you have to bring with you from your past life; and that kind of talent is usually manifested as an unshaking dedication to perfection.

Otherwise settle for the minor uses of the will endowed to every other human being. True occult power is a rare find these days, because in general we are a lazy people when it comes to such endeavors. There are even fewer gurus on India, fewer monks in temples, fewer nuns in church. Becoming an Adept requires no less dedication, though of a different sort.

Don't even concern yourself with that kind of power - just dedicate each day to learning yourself, to strengthening your will, to expanding the boundaries of what you think is possible (while still avoiding the fraud - you would not have to hear about a resurrection from the internet, and the doctor who signed the death certificate would be confirming it from one side of the globe to the other), and to occult exercise. If you just focus day by day, the time will pass in no time at all, and you'll be doing things you never imagined you really could.

I wouldn't take this resurrection man so seriously, to get back on topic - it's alarmingly common for religious fundamentalists of one flag or another to make such wild claims in order to draw people to their ministry. Happens all the time everywhere, that's what evangelism is about.

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Slayden   Raising And/or Animating The Dead   Aug 11 2007, 01:48 AM
Vagrant Dreamer   Where have you heard that some christian evangelis...   Aug 11 2007, 05:23 PM
Umbra Euri   Greetings! Oddly enough I recently watched a ...   Aug 11 2007, 09:32 PM
Vagrant Dreamer   Here you go - http://www.unbelief.org/articles/rai...   Aug 11 2007, 11:17 PM
Uni_Verse   The most difficult part would be managing to find ...   Aug 15 2007, 08:40 PM
Vagrant Dreamer   The most difficult part would be managing to find ...   Aug 15 2007, 11:30 PM
Uni_Verse   More, your experiences and body are like puzzle pi...   Aug 15 2007, 11:57 PM
Vagrant Dreamer   More, your experiences and body are like puzzle pi...   Aug 16 2007, 07:54 AM
Uni_Verse   The self is your current experiences in the karmic...   Aug 17 2007, 09:27 AM
Vagrant Dreamer   The self is your current experiences in the karmic...   Aug 17 2007, 11:23 AM
Uni_Verse   No, I do not speak of the Self as the Ego. The Eg...   Aug 17 2007, 07:13 PM
Uni_Verse   Ah, I thought of a good way to put it... Upon th...   Aug 17 2007, 08:25 PM
Paradox   So do we all agree that we can raise the dead or i...   Aug 21 2007, 07:22 AM
Vagrant Dreamer   I believe that to be the most likely form of resur...   Aug 21 2007, 08:51 AM
Eroscupidonamor   Reinhard Bonke... a penticostal christian I think ...   Aug 21 2007, 08:56 AM
Paradox   And out of curiosity, how much energy do you think...   Aug 21 2007, 05:51 PM
Vagrant Dreamer   Before you answer, think about: what kind of ene...   Aug 21 2007, 06:36 PM
Paradox   lol you are on a role this week, I agree science d...   Aug 22 2007, 02:21 AM

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