Raising And/or Animating The Dead Options

I'm wasn't sure if I should have put this here in Esoteric Discussions, Left Hand Path, or in the Ceremonial Magick forums so I put it here.

Ressurection can be performed by a few Christian evangelists today, but is there an occult way to do it? Also, what about animation? what Hollywood enjoys calling "zombies." I don't care how light, dark, good, or evil the magick is. I want to know if it is possible to do it, whether for kicks, servitors, or just saying "I can," or if it's simply fantasy. And I'm not talking about Necromancy, as that is just summoning the spirits of the deceased to acquire information. I'm talking about bodies on the physical plane getting up and walking. Could a spirit be channeled into a dead body to possess and use it as a vessel?

Basically I wan't to know two things:

1. Can someone be brought back to life (truly alive) by occult means.

2. Is it possible to animate the dead (dead but moving).

More, your experiences and body are like puzzle pieces.

Which are attached to the self.

The self not being the soul.

The soul has not attachment to physical form.

EDIT:
One cannot speak of souls relatively.
Only their development manifestation wise.

This post has been edited by Uni_Verse: Aug 16 2007, 12:00 AM

More, your experiences and body are like puzzle pieces.

Which are attached to the self.

The self not being the soul.

The soul has not attachment to physical form.

EDIT:
One cannot speak of souls relatively.
Only their development manifestation wise.

I'm going to try and make this relevant to the topic at hand, if it doesn't turn out that way i'll split it into a different thread.

The first person perspective is rooted in the soul. It is expressed through consciousness. So, the self is the soul. Not the individual 'me', but the "I" or "I am". THe soul contains the essence of experiences, their energy, while the consciousness contains their manifestation. Consciousness is transitory and impermanent in most situations, although a strong and developed consciousness that has been expanded beyond the physical and mental bodies can survive without physical being. This is ascension in its most basic form.

The soul doesn't have an attachment to the physical form, you're right about that, however, you're not looking at it from the right angle. Your soul contains your karma, this is what it means to say the 'essence of experience'. The soul contains the resonance from the experiences you've gone through - including the experience of the physical body, i.e., body memories, things that happened to you, injuries, illnesses, etc. Because of the presence of this resonance, only your soul can be safely paired with your body. Put another soul in there, and the imbalance between the karma that shaped your body and the karma of the other soul, will cause sickness and probably death. People who are possessed are often described as developing sores and rashes and all manner of other nasty looking afflictions - this is why. Demons have awful karma that destroys the body.

Everything can be - and must be, in my opinion - spoken of both relatively and absolutely. Absolute is the perspective of the Highest Mind, the Highest Body, the Highest soul - the Origin, the All. There are individual souls. They are relatively individual - that is, on the level that they operate, there are individual souls. Step up a level from that and there still individual souls made up of lower souls, and so on up the ladder. Think of the body - there are cells, which make up tissue, which make up organs, which make up systems, which ultimately form a body together. Anatomy 101 - the law of correspondence tells us that we can take that model and abstract it to a different degree to understand the other systems of creation. The mind is the same way, small systems that make up bigger systems. So is the soul and it's relationship to the higher planes of it's existence. Of course in the Absolute sense, there is no individuality, body mind or soul. It's all part of the All.

When I say that the consciousness contains the manifested experience, I mean memories as we typically know them. The soul contains the patterns of energy experienced, which can be manifested any number of ways - there are fewer energy patterns than there are physical manifestations. The consciousness contains the actual manifestation of that energy pattern that was experienced, and we call these memories, experiences, etc. Really, those manifestations are transitory and impermanent like the consciousness itself typically is.

Further, the soul expresses itself through consciousness as a beam of light through a lense. One's consciousness is developed around the Soul. At first, then, any old soul will do, and up to a certain point this is true. Soon enough though, that window is closed, the soul is enmeshed in the physical existence through the various trappings of experience and the perceived length of time between birth and the present. At this point the spiritually inclined individual with an advanced soul naturally begins the process of liberating himself from the physical, and possibly mental, bodies. I say possibly, because some souls are advanced enough to take that mental body with them, some are not.

So when you decide to raise someone from the dead, the consciousness is not enough, and you cannot simply craft a new soul for the resurrected person. Their consciousness may cause them to appear as though they are the same person, but it would not be. Their karma would be different, they would travel down a different path than before. You should not be fooled by the presence of consciousness that is familiar, because that is not the self. The Soul is the Self, the essence of the individual. The consciousness would soon change to reflect the 'ray' of the soul behind it, and would be a very different person.

Now a soul with a similar resonance could work, without killing the host body, perhaps. THe same issues of consciousness would exist though, and the energy patterns that don't line up right would cause mental illness just as the energy patterns of physical illnesses, etc., would cause damage to the body. The soul is the receptacle of karma, and the consciousness and body are manifestations of that karma.

A body and consciousness with no soul, is an empty thing - it will act like an individual, but it is like an individual on a loop. They will seek no new experiences, they will not answer questions about their existence, they will be restricted only to what they have already experienced and no more. THey will be mechanical and dull, possessed of no creativity or intuition. It is the soul that makes consciousness special.

When it comes to finding a soul, as I said it's not as hard as you'd think. Think of someone you know. THey have a feeling to you - strip away the memories, the image, all bias and judgement for or against them, down the the very essence of their 'feeling'. That is your connection to that person's soul. Only one person will give you that feeling specifically. The better your 'eyesight' as it were, the more honed your sense of such things, the more obviously individual it will be. Other people you meet may give you a similar feeling, this is harmonic resonance, and we often group them together in our mind because it's one of the list of things we don't pay attention to. One person just feels like another. However, it's completely unique in all of existence, because it reflects the exact path of karma, experienced energy patterns, that soul has built up. This is the case of average individuals, ascended individuals who have cleansed all karma on this level have a karma which is too subtle to recognize - it appears to a lower individual to be a purified individual who evokes only a sense of profoundness and light. Even then, two ascended beings may feel different in the mode of that profoundness.

There are many ways to go about it - you can simply expand your consciousness into the higher worlds and call for that soul using it's resonance; you can appeal to a higher soul, through your own higher self, to find the soul and deliver it to you; you can travel astrally to the soul's location and bring it back 'manually'; you can create a resonance that will attract the soul inherently. Many ways to 'skin a cat' as it were, though in this case it's like putting the cat back in it's skin.

So hard, yes, not as hard as it sounds. We could say there is some philosophical debate about what exactly a soul is, but really that's just arrogant. The ancients have left plenty of descriptions of the soul, consciousness, and their relationship to the body. They also said plenty about resurrection. So many different cultures with the same descriptions can't be coincidence, and for that matter once you see it four yourself you understand what they meant. Learning about it isn't an excuse not to experience it for yourself, but not learning about it isn't really license to come up with another explanation.

peace