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Lightning777
post Sep 12 2007, 07:08 AM
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Peace be to you,
I'm still in the begining stages of learning enochian magick and it formulae. I'm just getting a handle on the pyramids and their acompanying egyption God-forms. Correct me if this isn't right; basically one is using a particular egyptian godform to command the angels (elementals?) of a specific square or pyramid yes? I'm wondering if one could use Jesus(yeshua) in place of an egyptian diety and still have the system function properly. As with most spiritual sciences, It's usually a matter of faith, whatever deity you choose to put your faith in. So.. I'm thinking why not? There is a chance that enochian spirits could be tormented by this method so I'm not so sure.
I've always thought of creating a "chritianized" form of Magick that would be more adaptable to others like myself from that background.
This would be helpful in using systems where the pantheons of pagan Gods & Godesses are being predominately used as the base.
I've already had some sucess with this "substitution of God names" with things like the Key-word, and the BRH. I will definately NOT TRY THIS with Enochian rituals until my knowledge and understanding of the system is more complete. I just wanted to hear any feedback any of you who have more experience with the system may have on this Idea of mine, or any feedback at all is welcome.

"forever experimenting"
Thanks Love & Light

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post Sep 12 2007, 08:19 AM
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Greetings Lightning777!
I'm curious as to why would you wish to upset the apple cart? The Enochian system was allegedly handed to Dee thru Kelley by the angel Uriel....an Archangel in service to God. The smaller pieces of the elemental tablets use/can use the Egyptian God-forms but they are also additions from later systems involvement (ie Golden Dawn). Adding the Christ-force will totally UNBALANCE the elemental forces involved! Leave wellenough alone. The system works well whether or not you are a Christian... I apologize in case this sounds like an anti-Christian rant. Use your Faith in your preparatory works. Study the various evocational methods and create an all-Christian model. BUT, please, leave established systems alone. Would you rewrite Shakespeare? Take a hard look into Gnostic writings...there are many magical texts that will flow with your Faith. I wish you well on your journey. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


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post Sep 12 2007, 12:03 PM
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The revelation to Dee included admonitions to render no worship unto Jesus, who in their opinion was not divine.

If you find this unsettling, imagine being a respectable man in the 16th century whose occult interests are already on the fringes of permissibility.

I imagine that the spirits would have similar notions about Egyptian gods too. The Round Tablet instructions clearly indicate that the primary Enochian spirits are merely translations of the traditional planetary Archangels.

At no point in Dee's journals do I find anything about the use of god-forms, despite there being several instructions on how to carry out the conjurations. John Dee was apparently a devout Christian, and if you want to work Enochian magic within that religion perhaps you could emulate his technique as it does not appear to lack piety.


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