Is There More To The Goetia Thanmeets The Eye Options

Greetings, I'm asking fo opinions/views on the goetia as wriiten and used to obtain physical manifestation.

I have for the past few months gathered the tools, everything is complete. Followed the class lessons, and the text in the book( I have Petersons book and the Crowly/mathers version), experimenting with the procedure. I began conjuring three months ago, and I must say I have had no noticeable results. I use the proper metals for the seals etc experimented with the conjurations using different versions etc, with nothing showing even partial results.

I have used things like dittany of crete for manifestaion aswell. My question really is, it would seem the goetia doesn't work as written for physical manifestation, so is there more to the goetia than meets the eye? and am I missing something? I have a feeling there are more subtle aspects to this system, which are not written down. I would like to ask others who have had success with this system for their views and opinions, and what they believe results in thier success.

Thanks Loki

Well, it depends. Are you summoning specific spirits for specific purposes, or are you summoning random spirits just to see if they'll show up? If it's the latter, I'm not too surprised you haven't had any sort of response as that's a cosmic version of the juvenile prank of ringing the neighbour's doorbell then running away before they answer. That sort of thing gets tedious fast. If that's your goal try a Ouija board as that's what they're made for.

Now, if you're summoning specific spirits for specific purposes, you might want to think about what you're doing and why. I don't use a lot of the traditional tools--I prefer the 'seat of pants' approach--yet I've had fairly decent results with the Goetia because I'm consistent with my reasons, I know WHY I'm doing what I'm doing, and I'm not summoning them for something simple that I could do if I just got my ass off the couch. I also show respect to them--I'm the boss, but usually if they say 'no' to something I'm requesting that they do they usually have a damned good reason for it. While I may not like this, it saves me from my own stupidity more often than not. Keep this in mind while you work.

Also, don't overthink it. If you're worrying about what WON'T happen you won't be paying attention to the subtle things which WILL eventually happen, and so you won't learn to look for signs of success. Best thing to do is just remember that you're the boss, stay focused, write everything down, and give your conjuring time to work. It can be slow at first as magic is a learned skill, but eventually you'll get the hang of it.

Good luck...

Thanks for the reply Darkmage. I have taken my pursuit of this very seriously, and I'm not conjuring things just to see if they show up or not. I have concrete reasons for the evocations, which have nothing to do with me playing "pranks". If I was of this attitude I wouldn't bother getting the tools right and spend 18 hours drawing out the circle, and making the seals.

I'm interested in doing Goetia as written in the text and to gain physical manifestation, as part of securing whatever it is that you want.
With your success, do you experience physical manifestation, or do you scry? And can you expand on "giving your conjuration time to work". According to the text there is no implication about this allowance for time. As for scrying etc, I have done that in the past, and its a skill that takes time, but its not what I'm doing at the moment. Thanks


Loki