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loki
post Sep 19 2007, 09:19 AM
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Greetings, I'm asking fo opinions/views on the goetia as wriiten and used to obtain physical manifestation.

I have for the past few months gathered the tools, everything is complete. Followed the class lessons, and the text in the book( I have Petersons book and the Crowly/mathers version), experimenting with the procedure. I began conjuring three months ago, and I must say I have had no noticeable results. I use the proper metals for the seals etc experimented with the conjurations using different versions etc, with nothing showing even partial results.

I have used things like dittany of crete for manifestaion aswell. My question really is, it would seem the goetia doesn't work as written for physical manifestation, so is there more to the goetia than meets the eye? and am I missing something? I have a feeling there are more subtle aspects to this system, which are not written down. I would like to ask others who have had success with this system for their views and opinions, and what they believe results in thier success.

Thanks Loki

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post Sep 20 2007, 12:40 PM
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There's nothing wrong with altering a text to make it suit your needs better. Good cooks do it all the time. As for the manifestation, I don't care if the physical manifestation is spotty so long as the spirit does what I requested. After all, that's what I'm calling them for anyway.

If you've got the tools and the requisite knowledge (and it sounds like you do) then just jump in and do it. Don't worry too much about overanalyzing things as you'll just wind up chasing your tail and getting nowhere. But then I'm a pragmatist, so...but it sounds like you're at the point where you need to stop reading and start doing.

In any case, good luck, and post your results!


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loki   Is There More To The Goetia Thanmeets The Eye   Sep 19 2007, 09:19 AM
Darkmage   Well, it depends. Are you summoning specific spiri...   Sep 19 2007, 09:55 AM
loki   Thanks for the reply Darkmage. I have taken my pur...   Sep 19 2007, 10:12 AM
Darkmage   Thanks for the reply Darkmage. I have taken my pur...   Sep 19 2007, 02:41 PM
loki   Thanks, Darkmage. Like yourself, I have had some p...   Sep 20 2007, 08:28 AM
bobafett_190   It is actually said that the goetia and ritual are...   Sep 19 2007, 10:23 AM
loki   It is actually said that the goetia and ritual are...   Sep 19 2007, 10:28 AM
Theodor Voland   ...but it sounds like you're at the point wher...   Sep 24 2007, 02:38 PM
Darkmage   Hmm...that's odd. Getting the hang of it takes...   Sep 24 2007, 03:17 PM
altpath   Maybe, Loki, you're working with the wrong gri...   Sep 26 2007, 08:33 PM
loki   Hi Altpath, thanks for the reply. ...   Sep 27 2007, 06:58 AM
Enigmius   I have a couple questions for you. The tools that...   Nov 6 2007, 09:00 PM
Grab   Oh and make sure you are doing it only on the even...   Nov 6 2007, 10:57 PM
Enigmius   "I don't understand the definition of eve...   Nov 7 2007, 08:24 PM
loki   @ Enigmius, although I have collected seperate too...   Nov 9 2007, 09:58 PM
altpath   You're very welcome. I hope you don't feel...   Sep 27 2007, 01:41 PM
Athena   Greetings, I'm asking fo opinions/views on the...   Oct 15 2007, 06:11 PM
Scarlett_156   I did not read every reply in this thread all the ...   Nov 7 2007, 09:42 PM

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