Working With Arcangel Uriel W/unknown Visitor!, Establishing Identity of an unknown Angel Options

Greetings,
Background;
During my daily ritual work I have been asking Uriel to teach me more about his/her nature & how to work w/ elemental earth energies.

It went down like this; I set up my temple did the MPL, LBRP, BHR and SPRP. after it was opened I made these requests to Uriel.
I had been working w/ Raphael with with great success; he healed my left ulna nerve in my left arm to where I'm able to play my guitar better that any time before.! any ways back to the point lol ! I did the MDP again and LBRP but did not banish north because I wanted Uriel & earth energys to continue to minister to me in my sleep. I gave license to depart & closed the Temple.
Then I went to bed and as I was doing my breathing ex. and prayers as usuals, I noticed standing at the foot of my bed which is due north, a being I belive is an Angel ;but I haven't seen too many elementals so I'm not sure.

Here's the desciption: about 6'5" tall w/ a black & what looked like a velvet robe.Around his neck was a neckless that had a large sort of diamond shaped black crystal pendant that looked like it was moving .The actual neckless itself looked like dark redish colored stones all around.
This neckless lay on it's shoulders not like a choker. It's face was pleasent and cherubic; very powdery white with dark eyebrows.
I didn't see any hair because (he?) had a white skull cap on ; sort of like the one the evil queen in Disney "Snow White" wore lol; with the point coming down the forhead. The rest of it covered all of the head except the face and eyes which were dark as well.
I gave it the sign of earth which it returned and then I did invoking penta of earth and tried to talk to it but heard no response. I sensed it was of a good nature and drew energy from it.
It stayed for about five minutes and then slowly faded. After a while when the room cleared, I banished earth to the north butI was really charged up so didn't sleep most of the night.
Results;
I have been getting a flood of realizations about my life and the course it has taken, as well as some success in endeavors of a worldly nature (which I asked for) like in trying to find a gig in a good band; (i'm a guitarist). I read some descriptions of Sandophon in one of the Ciceros Kabalah books but they just say it's a female and has the colors of earth. Which we do have Black and russet. I didn't see any olive but as I'm thinking of it now it may of had a sash of light green.
It was dark in the room but I could see it very clearly- I mean it materialized, but it didn't give off the intense blazing light like Michael and Raphael did when I evoked them to the astral and asked for a manifistation, which I documented on the old Occut forums.
Any info on this would be greatly appreciated..

Thanks, and Love and Light to you all!! Sincerely Lightning

Not much of use to add to Nero's excellent posting, merely to observe that although I have never had a direct visual impression of the solomonic angels, I have often found that the Enochian spirits appear in a form of dress similar to that which you describe. If I had my notes to hand (I am at a friend's house) then I might even be a able to suggest a particular spirit, as your description does sound familiar, although I would not like to say it was definitely any particular spirit as my enochian project is in no wise complete!

Anyway, it is something to consider. My experience is that the enochian guys tend to "pop-up" unexpectedly more frequently than a lot of people realise.

Not much of use to add to Nero's excellent posting, merely to observe that although I have never had a direct visual impression of the solomonic angels, I have often found that the Enochian spirits appear in a form of dress similar to that which you describe. If I had my notes to hand (I am at a friend's house) then I might even be a able to suggest a particular spirit, as your description does sound familiar, although I would not like to say it was definitely any particular spirit as my enochian project is in no wise complete!

Anyway, it is something to consider. My experience is that the enochian guys tend to "pop-up" unexpectedly more frequently than a lot of people realise.

No that's quite alright; as a matter of fact that thought had crossed my mind. I am basically in the beginning stages of learning enochian. I have my elemental tablets & the TOU ( but haven't consecrated or used them yet) and am in still in the studying stages with rituals like;I.R. opening by watch towersfor ex, that's in line for my first enochian working after I have made the correct tools and consecrated the tablets.
I want to really have a good foundation and working knowledge before I engage enochian spirits as they are quite alien in my sphere of experience.
I haven't constructed GD style elemental weapons yet, although I have my basic tools some of which I made; the wand, a favorite dagger ect... I haven't made my earth pentcle yet (I use salt) but that's what's next on the plate, I have the wooden disk & a chalice for water.
Could I use non GD tools for enochian workings?
When I started on this particular stage of my development about two years ago
I was captivated by enochian and read everything I could get my hands on. The folks on the old OCF were instrumental in my learning.
Now that you mentioned it, I had posted something on that site about 1years ago when I was haphazardly reading the calls aloud one night, I think it was a wed night about 12:30am and I heard loud niose that sounded like some kind if brass instrumental "music"(noise)? comming from the southwest.
I beleive I had earlier been reading about Cassiel. Anyway it got louder as it got closer and then Bam! there in my kitchen was a being that had a similar robe to Phorlakh? his was like velvet, this one was black too but it sparkled like glitter, and it had some kind dark of egg shaped dome on it's head or it was his head, that was sparkling as well. It reminded me of that Xylon " lucifer" from that old show "battlestar galctica".
I mean it really looked similar to that, except I couldn't see it's face.
I about jumped out of my skin! as did my cat who jumped clear over the couch ha ha!
I didn't know what it was so imediately out of thinking it was a Demon (the only spirits I had seen up to that point), and my christian programming ckicked in causing me to imediately rebuke it in Yeshuas' name. Then it shot eastward at incredible speed as the "music faded".

I think it was heading somewhere else and was attracted by my reading the calls i think the 3rd & 4th? and it made a detour to check me out. That's when I learned to exercise extreme caution when messing with enochian rituals that I didn't have a full knowledge of.

Angels elect aren't going to harm you unless God commands it , but I know nothing of the nature of enochian spirits and didn't want to bring negative energies down on me. I knew from previous chapters in my life how destructive evil spirits can be when they attack you and attach them selves to you and destroy your life..or excuse me ..cause you to destroy your own life, because that's how they work. They can only tempt you. they can't really come in to your "sphere" untill you step over the line and invite them in to your house for a barbeque-
( that's you lol) by way of your actions. Sorry i'm veering of topic.

Any potential ID on this spirit would be greatly appreciated. He's been kind of poping up here and there since that night. I even saw him today while out in the country riding my motorcycle. he was apearing in different groves of woods as I paused to drink in the beauty. It was even flying paralell to me a couple of times. But I don't feel any negative energy from it, and am sure i would recognize a Daemon in any guise by the energy it radiates or rather sucks into itself.
Thanks for your feed back. Sorry i made this a book I feel I have to give you somebackground that led up to this, when the possibility of "enochian entity" has entered the fray .
Any sugestions on how to get his true idenity short of triangle and sword?
Love and Light
Lightning

This post has been edited by Lightning777: Jun 16 2007, 10:39 PM

No that's quite alright; as a matter of fact that thought had crossed my mind. I am basically in the beginning stages of learning enochian. I have my elemental tablets & the TOU ( but haven't consecrated or used them yet) and am in still in the studying stages with rituals like;I.R. opening by watch towersfor ex, that's in line for my first enochian working after I have made the correct tools and consecrated the tablets.
I want to really have a good foundation and working knowledge before I engage enochian spirits as they are quite alien in my sphere of experience.
I haven't constructed GD style elemental weapons yet, although I have my basic tools some of which I made; the wand, a favorite dagger ect... I haven't made my earth pentcle yet (I use salt) but that's what's next on the plate, I have the wooden disk & a chalice for water.
Could I use non GD tools for enochian workings?
When I started on this particular stage of my development about two years ago
I was captivated by enochian and read everything I could get my hands on. The folks on the old OCF were instrumental in my learning.
Now that you mentioned it, I had posted something on that site about 1years ago when I was haphazardly reading the calls aloud one night, I think it was a wed night about 12:30am and I heard loud niose that sounded like some kind if brass instrumental "music"(noise)? comming from the southwest.
I beleive I had earlier been reading about Cassiel. Anyway it got louder as it got closer and then Bam! there in my kitchen was a being that had a similar robe to Phorlakh? his was like velvet, this one was black too but it sparkled like glitter, and it had some kind dark of egg shaped dome on it's head or it was his head, that was sparkling as well. It reminded me of that Xylon " lucifer" from that old show "battlestar galctica".
I mean it really looked similar to that, except I couldn't see it's face.
I about jumped out of my skin! as did my cat who jumped clear over the couch ha ha!
I didn't know what it was so imediately out of thinking it was a Demon (the only spirits I had seen up to that point), and my christian programming ckicked in causing me to imediately rebuke it in Yeshuas' name. Then it shot eastward at incredible speed as the "music faded".

I think it was heading somewhere else and was attracted by my reading the calls i think the 3rd & 4th? and it made a detour to check me out. That's when I learned to exercise extreme caution when messing with enochian rituals that I didn't have a full knowledge of.

Angels elect aren't going to harm you unless God commands it , but I know nothing of the nature of enochian spirits and didn't want to bring negative energies down on me. I knew from previous chapters in my life how destructive evil spirits can be when they attack you and attach them selves to you and destroy your life..or excuse me ..cause you to destroy your own life, because that's how they work. They can only tempt you. they can't really come in to your "sphere" untill you step over the line and invite them in to your house for a barbeque-
( that's you lol) by way of your actions. Sorry i'm veering of topic.

Any potential ID on this spirit would be greatly appreciated. He's been kind of poping up here and there since that night. I even saw him today while out in the country riding my motorcycle. he was apearing in different groves of woods as I paused to drink in the beauty. It was even flying paralell to me a couple of times. But I don't feel any negative energy from it, and am sure i would recognize a Daemon in any guise by the energy it radiates or rather sucks into itself.
Thanks for your feed back. Sorry i made this a book I feel I have to give you somebackground that led up to this, when the possibility of "enochian entity" has entered the fray .
Any sugestions on how to get his true idenity short of triangle and sword?
Love and Light
Lightning

That is a lot of information! I think I remember that thread on OC too.

Lots of questions. Regarding the technical aspects of what you do and do not need in order to work the system, you will get different answers from different people.

This thread contains a description of my most common way of approaching things. It was basically a debate between Imperial Arts (who is a hard-line traditionalist, an approach I can respect) and myself regarding the practice and use of the system, although since we are both stubborn it went nowhere!

http://www.sacred-magick.org/index.php?showtopic=4033

My belief is that you do not need to consecrate your finished tablets before use. The act of making them with care and with unique materials (which you can consecrate) is sufficient. Similarly, you do not absolutely have to have all the other magical paraphernalia. I have been present at impromptu rituals where the only thing on hand was a scrying mirror, but one of the DoLs was successfully evoked. That said, I would recommend a large aemeth and tablets as a preferable bare minimum, and speaking of which, I must go and start preparing for Lodge to make sure we have them!

More on spirit ID when I get back.

That is a lot of information! I think I remember that thread on OC too.

Lots of questions. Regarding the technical aspects of what you do and do not need in order to work the system, you will get different answers from different people.

This thread contains a description of my most common way of approaching things. It was basically a debate between Imperial Arts (who is a hard-line traditionalist, an approach I can respect) and myself regarding the practice and use of the system, although since we are both stubborn it went nowhere!
http://www.sacred-magick.org/index.php?showtopic=4033

My belief is that you do not need to consecrate your finished tablets before use. The act of making them with care and with unique materials (which you can consecrate) is sufficient. Similarly, you do not absolutely have to have all the other magical paraphernalia. I have been present at impromptu rituals where the only thing on hand was a scrying mirror, but one of the DoLs was successfully evoked. That said, I would recommend a large aemeth and tablets as a preferable bare minimum, and speaking of which, I must go and start preparing for Lodge to make sure we have them!

More on spirit ID when I get back.

Thanks, yes i've been known for excessive details lol; but it's all in an attemp to be clear in my descriptions. I'm stil leaning towards Phorlakh, because the working was for elemental earth and AUriel or one of hi constituents. I guess I'll just have to plan my next "session" more carefully and as I said earlier evoke Phorlakh specifically.
I like Dr Dee am a true christian in the sense that Yeheshua is my sole deity. I won't bend my knee to another so I am very careful about "who" I deal with.

Things were going real good after that but today 6-17, it seems things that where heading in a positive direction all seemed to go sour.
One of the reasons I'm so concerned about Getting this guys I.D., as I don't want to keep working with him if i'm unsure about his true identity.
I don't want to "loose" him just yet because he may have a lot to offer if he's true. The problem lies in as Nero said; " the earth spirits are not the most talkative folks" and I can't get him to talk! I have established some kind of psycic link with him but can't seem to get anything out of him yet, aside from seeing him.

I have been having some really strange dreams since that night though. One involved being pursued by a vampire and jumping on a 747 to escape, and the vamp appeared on the plane and I bailed out at 35,00 feet with my cat!, and in another one a Gi-gong master was laying hands on me and "adjusting" my aura and chi fields in relation to my chronic pain condition...strange stuff; but these two were not the entity. This was odd that my cat was with me in the dreams to because I have never dreamed of him before we both escaped though ha ha!
When you get back I would love to hear more on your impressions, or anyone elses for that matter..
Thanks Lightning

This post has been edited by Lightning777: Jun 17 2007, 10:04 PM

Right, yes. Apologies for not getting back yesterday. Busy day.

I think you are sensible to pursue the Phorlakh line of enquiry first, simply because this seems to be the most economic assumption. You say that you are going to make use of the appropriate sigil, so if you get the same guy showing up as a result of working with that it would seem to indicate in favour of it being Phorlakh. That is one line of enquiry. You have already made use of the signs to good effect, which is the traditional way of doing things. There are some other "Thelemic" tests that I sometimes use, but those aren't likely to be of much use in this situation and are largely just for making sure you haven't managed to summon something nasty by mistake. Half of me is inclined to suggest that "success is your proof" and that provided you are getting results from working with the spirit you shouldn't worry too much if he isn't the most loquacious of characters.

Still, if you want to continue the evocations I can think of a few things to try in terms of improving communication and helping with identification:

1) Next time he is there, use a pendulum and try and communicate with him by that. Never done it myself by I have heard it can be useful (if laborious).
2) Ask him to appear in dreams if it will be easier to communicate in this way, then do your evocations before sleeping. I have done this to good effect in the past with a particular entity.
3) Use a dark mirror/crystal ball and try and call him into that, it may be easier to get a dialogue of some sort going if you get yourself into the appropriate trance state and do it in the "spirit vision". (This would probably be my preferred tactic).
4) Go the Enochian route. Call the King in the Watchtower (i.e. the Sol Senior, but under the King aspect) and ask him to tell you who it is that has been showing up! This should still work if it is a "Solomonic" angel...although the answer you get may well be some kind of nonsensical, mystical rambling rather than a straight name (gotta love the enochian hierarchy (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) )

Right, yes. Apologies for not getting back yesterday. Busy day.

I think you are sensible to pursue the Phorlakh line of enquiry first, simply because this seems to be the most economic assumption. You say that you are going to make use of the appropriate sigil, so if you get the same guy showing up as a result of working with that it would seem to indicate in favour of it being Phorlakh. That is one line of enquiry. You have already made use of the signs to good effect, which is the traditional way of doing things. There are some other "Thelemic" tests that I sometimes use, but those aren't likely to be of much use in this situation and are largely just for making sure you haven't managed to summon something nasty by mistake. Half of me is inclined to suggest that "success is your proof" and that provided you are getting results from working with the spirit you shouldn't worry too much if he isn't the most loquacious of characters.

Still, if you want to continue the evocations I can think of a few things to try in terms of improving communication and helping with identification:

1) Next time he is there, use a pendulum and try and communicate with him by that. Never done it myself by I have heard it can be useful (if laborious).
2) Ask him to appear in dreams if it will be easier to communicate in this way, then do your evocations before sleeping. I have done this to good effect in the past with a particular entity.
3) Use a dark mirror/crystal ball and try and call him into that, it may be easier to get a dialogue of some sort going if you get yourself into the appropriate trance state and do it in the "spirit vision". (This would probably be my preferred tactic).

Thanks, I will try probably the pendulum because that's pretty straight forward with yes and no answers. It seems really easy to call this guy almost at will. I had him in my bedromm last night but he didn't stay very long. I again asked his name but heard no audible voice.
He responded agin to the sign of earth and became a little clearer with inviking penta of earth. I was getting psycic impressions of "I am Phorlakh" but it wasn't from his lips, so? I'm used to the solor angels which there's no mistaking them. I did have good dreams after that but he wasn't in them. I'm going to do the whole ritual order again this week and I'll post the results. we could speculate on it until the cows come home lol..Thanks for your imput sincerelt Lightning
4) Go the Enochian route. Call the King in the Watchtower (i.e. the Sol Senior, but under the King aspect) and ask him to tell you who it is that has been showing up! This should still work if it is a "Solomonic" angel...although the answer you get may well be some kind of nonsensical, mystical rambling rather than a straight name (gotta love the enochian hierarchy (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) )

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I just wanted to add the conclusion to this; This is definately the Angel of earth "Phorlakh" He sure doesn't talk much but makes up for it by action! I asked him to bring to me opportunitys to make money and open new doors in my music carrer and these things are surely happening!! I got jobs & things really have started to move again. It seems that when I become slack in my ritual work things grind to a halt.
The strange thing is Phorlakh only appeared to me in that first working with Uriel, and lingered around me for a week. But now when I evoke his help he doesn't appear-(I'm not evoking him to physical appearance) but what I've asked for sure does. Not free money mind you.. I still have to work for it as is Gods will.
These sucsesses have really helped me in so many ways. For the first time in my long hard life there is a true balance within myself.
As Nero was saying in his Pentagram and hexgram posts the consistant practice of the basic LBRP, LHR, And SIRP & Rose Cross seem to bring protection and balance of all elements inoneself. And you may not see the results instantly but they will come if you keep working. Thanks to all Love and Light

Ps I'm also finding that when you close the temple and even after days of not doing anything phsically the "sphere" with the pentas, hexas and rose crosses still remains around me. very beautiful; gold white and blue (IMG:style_emoticons/default/medieval.gif)

Ps I'm also finding that when you close the temple and even after days of not doing anything phsically the "sphere" with the pentas, hexas and rose crosses still remains around me. very beautiful; gold white and blue

The rituals are doing what they are supposed to do. You are establishing the symbols and energies into your sphere of sensation. Repeated enough over the years they become etched into your sphere and are always there.