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Note: The following article is written in an attempt to detail how the Christian Paradigm may reasonably be married with a practice of magic. As a consequence, there will be explicit references to the Christian religion. Viewer Discretion is advised. Seriously, don't get all angry and tell me abut the "Burning Times", how Christianity ruined everything, or how you should rise above a religious upbringing in order to practice magic. I've heard it before and wasn't impressed. This is not meant to convert or change religions, merely to serve as a reference to those who ask the question "Can a Christian be a Magician?" in earnest.






Throughout the history of humankind, the same things have been labeld as the epitome of holiness or the deepest depravity of evil. Those doctrines embraced by the majority are often rejected by the minority. For centuries, Christendom has maintained an unyieling stance of the depravity of magic, commonly referred to as witchcraft or sorcery, and confused with religions as varied as Wicca and Asatru. These conceptions have been the rallying cry of generations to save the misguided souls of the lost from the claws of the daemonic. They are also incorrect, based in part of misunderstandings of translations of translations of translations. The Torah, the Books of Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Deuteonomy and Numbers, originally existed in ancient or biblical Hebrew, which is no longer spoken even by Jews. The New Testament is thought to have originally existed in Aramaic, a nearly-extinct language and later translated into Greek and Latin, further translated into English. Many of these languages do not translate well between one another; cultural subcurrents are lost in translations, specificty lost. In addition, fear clouds the judgement of men, causing them to demonize that which is not demonic. The translators of the King James Version are said to have intentionally mistranslated the Hebrew word m'khaseph, meaning a worker of evil magic, to read witch, as a result of his own paranoia. Frequently, certain verses are used to support a hostile stance on magic; some of these are detailed in this Appendix. The English Translations, except as noted, are from the KJV. Latin is from the Latin Vulgate Bible. Hebrew transliterations are mostly courtesy of the Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance. The purpose is to provide the verses used to condemn magic as a whole, and show they do nothing of the kind. In addition, translations provided are intended for maximum clarity, not necesarily grammatical accuracy.



Rev. 22:15

For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

Foris canes, et venefici, et impudici, et homicidæ, et idolis servientes, et omnis qui amat et facit mendacium.

Venefici- Poisoners. Those who murder with poison or magical means (1.)

This verse condemns those who murder, with magic, poison, or weapon. Damnable, indeed.

Rev. 21:8

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Timidis autem, et incredulis, et execratis, et homicidis, et fornicatoribus, et veneficis, et idolatris, et omnibus mendacibus, pars illorum erit in stagno ardenti igne et sulphure: quod est mors secunda.

Venefici- Poisoners. Those who murder with poison or magical means (Sulla's reign: Lex Cornellia De Sicariis Et Veneficis) (1.)

This verse condemns those who murder, with magic, poison, or weapon. Damnable, indeed.


What does the original Greek text imply?
The critical word here is "pharmakeus" pronounced <far-mak-yoos'>. It is derived from "pharmakon," which means a drug.

It is commonly believed to have two meanings:
A person who uses magical potions for to poison others.
A person who engaged in black magick to harm others -- a sorcerer.

A few commentators suggest a third meaning:
A person who goes around spreading dissention - poisoning people's minds.
Of all of the translations, the word "sorcerer" is probably the best. Unfortunately, while this term usually refers to a person who casts evil spells to harm others, it is occasionally used to refer to any spell caster, whether the intent is to harm or to heal. So the optimum translation would probably be "evil sorcerer."

Since the Wiccan Rede specifically prohibits Wiccans from harming, dominating, manipulating or controlling others, Wiccans could in no way be covered by Revelation 21:8. (2.)

Galatians 5:19-21

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Timidis autem, et incredulis, et execratis, et homicidis, et fornicatoribus, et veneficis, et idolatris, et omnibus mendacibus, pars illorum erit in stagno ardenti igne et sulphure: quod est mors secunda.

Venefici- Poisoners. Those who murder with poison or magical means (Sulla's reign: Lex Cornellia De Sicariis Et Veneficis) (1.)

This verse condemns those who murder, with magic, poison, or weapon. Damnable, indeed.


Exodus 22:18
Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live

Maleficos non patieris vivere.

The mal-prefix denotes malignancy; the Spanish maleficos is an adjective that means "exerting a malign influence."

The Answer Bible reads "Put to death any woman who does evil magic. (3.)

New Revised Standard Version: You shall not permit a female sorcerer to live. (3.)

New World Translation: You must not preserve a sorceress alive. (3.)

This verse specifically denotes those who use magic to do evil, although I fail to understand why it should apply only to women.

Deut. 18:10-11

There shall not be found among you anyone ....that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter or a witch, or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.

Nec inveniatur in te qui lustret filium suum, aut filiam, ducens per ignem: aut qui ariolos sciscitetur, et observet somnia atque auguria, nec sit maleficus,
nec incantator, nec qui pythones consulat, nec divinos, aut quærat a mortuis veritatem.

The Hebrew Terms and Definitions of the above Verse:
1. yid'oni: knowers; wizards; persons who make contact with spirits who are not of God. (Some Wiccans have engaged in spiritism and have attempted to contact the dead. However, this is not necessarily an integral part of the Wiccan religion).
2. sho'el 'ov: making forbidden contact with the dead. (Ditto) .
3. qosem q'samim: predicting the future by using lots or a similar system. (Many Wiccans as well as Christians sometimes use tarot cards, runes, scrying etc. to foretell the future, but this is not an integral part of the Wiccan religion) .
4. m'onen: predicting the future by interpreting signs in nature. (Ditto) .
5. m'nachesh an enchanter (perhaps a snake charmer, because "nachash" means snake. We have never heard of Wiccan snake charmers) .
6. chover chavar: use of knot-tying to perform magic. (Wiccans sometimes engage in knot-tying, but only for positive healing magic. Again, it is a practice that some engage in, but is not an integral part of their religion).
7. m'khaseph: an evil sorcerer (as in Exodus 22:18); a person using spoken spells to harm others. (Wiccans do not engage in this activity; they are specifically prohibited from doing so by their Wiccan Rede).
8. doresh 'el hametim: a person who makes contact with the dead - probably by another method than sho'el 'ov. (Again, there are some Wiccans who engage in spiritism, but it is not necessarily an integral part of their religion). (4.)

Maleficus means generic mischief-making or evil-doing. It also commonly denotes a sorcerer. (5.) (6.)

Incantator means one who puts a spell on or bewitches. (7.)

Qui pythones consulat means a consulting spirit. The word pythones is historically used in reference to ventriliquism disguised as spirit possession by false prophets; a base meaning of sourceless is my conclusion, and that the word came to refer to spirits who may or may not been part of a circus act. (8.)

Nec divinos means those who foretell or prophesy. (9.)

Mortuis veritatem means those who seek truth from the dead. (10.)

This verse, then, condemns contacting spirits not of God; the meaning of "of God" is debateable: Since God created all that is, including all spirits, theoretically they are all "of God"
It condemns necromancy.
It condemns divination by certain methods.
It condemns enchnting another; presumablly against there will, and arguablly including hypnotism.
It condemns using magic to harm another.
It condemns spiritism or mediumship.





It can be seen from the above verses and their explanations that magic is not innately evil, but is instead a matter of the use to which it is applied. Further, it varies depending on the source of "power" or more accurately, "authority" to perform magic. In Black Magic, The Devil is the great Magical Agent employed for evil purposes by a perverse will. (12.) Inversely, in White Magic, The Trinity is the great Magical Agent employed for evil purposes by a perverse will. Forbidden, then, is the use of magic to harm another. What sorcerers and necromancers sought above all in their evocations of the impure spirit was that magnetic power which is the possession of the true adept, but was desired by them only that they might abuse it shamefully. (11.)


Therefore, the following becomes obvious:
Magic may be considered good and not likely to condemn oneself unto eternal torment, if

The ultimate intent is to help yourself or others.
The means used do not harm another.
God is recognized as the source of authority.
The means do not involve the summoning of the dead or certain means of divination (though I don't know why only certain kinds would be condemned)




Footnotes

1. Encyclopedic Dictionary of Roman Law, Adolf Berger, pg. 760
2. Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance: <http://www.religioustolerance.org/wic_bibl5.htm>
3. Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance: <http://www.religioustolerance.org/wic_bibl2.htm>
4. Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance: <http://www.religioustolerance.org/wic_bibl3.htm>
5. Encyclopedic Dictionary of Roman Law, Adolf Berger, pg. 573
6. University of Notre Dame Latin Dictionary and Grammar Aid, <www.nd.edu/~archives/latgramm.htm>
7. Dictionary.com, Word Origins <http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/incantator>
8. Ventriloquism: A Dissociated Perspective by Angela Mabe <http://www.unc.edu/~jimlee/tp141mabe.html>
9. University of Notre Dame Latin Dictionary and Grammar Aid, <www.nd.edu/~archives/latgramm.htm>
10. University of Notre Dame Latin Dictionary and Grammar Aid, <www.nd.edu/~archives/latgramm.htm>
11. The Ritual of High Magic, Chapter XVI, Witchcraft and Spells
12. The Doctrine of High Magic, Chapter XV, Black Magic

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I consider myself a rosicrusan christian magician/wizard aprentice, and just because a few ignorant people commited such atrocities during the burning times, it does not mean that all christians think the same way about magick...... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/Symbols_1911.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wizard.gif)


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