Pet Peeve., Quantum Physics it’s involvement in Magick Options

Using science catch phrases to further your agenda or personal beliefs when you understand nothing of the science you are talking about. I could go into global warming, but that would make this alot longer.

I see this done over and over again, why is it necessary to justify something with something else when 90% of the time they understand neither subject?

I totally get it is a pet peeve, and I have too much emotional charge at this point as it detracts me every time I read something on magick that is totally plausible and they “justify it” by mentioning quantum physics.

Quantum physics is one of the “current” tool boxes used for the study of subatomic partials because Newtonian physics fails terribly at it.

At this point Quantum theory will never become “law” it is already known to be wrong. But it is still one of the best tool boxes they have for this area of study.

The only three cool thing in Quantum that people can relate to magick

1. The possibility to be in multiple places at once. (a photon will traverse every possible solution of a maze at once to get to the other side)
2. Instant effect (beyond the speed of light). Partials will change instantly when their twin is changed.
3. The discovery that the observer can effect the results.

Now those three things are huge, but they are not the things usually brought up when connecting Magick and Science.

Science is now on the cusp of being able to create a pocket universe (a mini big bang so to speak), instead I am reading how opening my chakras or third eye will let me see or feel energy that is in different quantum dimensions (paraphrasing but I would not be surprised to see that in print).

The only good approaches to Science and Magick that come to mind are Peter Carroll’s and William A . Tiller. Carroll on the pure theory side does not make claims of anything justifying anything. William A Tiller takes a purely scientific approach to proving the most minute existence of magickal phenomena.

His books are not for the feint of heart, but they are what is needed to get a firmer grasp on the whys of Magick.

Do we need the whys? No not really, but we do if we want to use science to prove it exists.

Body and mind control is now accepted by the scientific community, why, because people can repeatedly do things like go to only theta waves at will (mental equivalent of stopping the heart) and then come back out, or show the full spectrum of brain waves at once. Or stopping the heart or slowing it down to almost stopping it.

What has that done? It has given medical researchers new tools, and added a ton of funding to the research of long term effects of specific meditations. It has opened holistic medical schools where traditional and non traditional treatments are taught and researched ultimately providing better care.

Meanwhile on the magickal side of the fence you have idiots talking about science in an uneducated way…the least science is going to do is the same.

Honestly, I have stopped studying physics after a friend moved…no longer a subject that mattered too much to me as I could not geek out over coffee. As for the incorrect statements made, I think I agree with you with all of them, perhaps not.

In saying it applies to the microscopic or subatomic world…that is where it is studied, and readily observable as observable as it is.

It does have an affect on every system it is part of. Just as every part of a system has an affect on the greater system.

Particals affect Atoms affect Molecules and so on until all the multiverse or “god”. There is no question there, however the study of the greater astral bodies does not include large asteroids unless they collide with a large astral body and provides a unique study point.
As such, physicists who deal exclusively in the macro world do not use Quantum physics, at least in my experience with explosive physicists or those dealing with fragrance materials, or detergents. It is not a tool they require, there is interest and passing study, but not use in their fields. All of those do deal with microscopic issues, just not sub atomic. The only one I know personally who did any post graduate study on it is currently working on highly focused energy, even there I don’t think that there is any professional use of Quantum mechanics for him at this moment, but I never really asked.

As for magick taking the stance that reality is subjective? That would imply that it only affects the internal perceived reality. Now saying that it is somewhat subjective allows a bit more freedom there. A bent spoon is a bent spoon…there is no subjectivity. How it got bent could be subjective.

As for the differences between magick and PSI, magick is the ritualized version…depending on the system. That one can take things away till he can manifest the result over and over at will, makes it have little difference. Then again that is my take, at least with meditation, I can enter various trance states at will, I still meditate and do the ritual to get there from time to time to observe it from a different perspective or reanalyze it.

As for the belief portion of the statement. I agree, however this has not been adequately experimented on with humans.