Chakras And Psionics Options

I fail to see the connection between psionics and chakras. You can say that I am a very gifted psion and I do no work with any type of chakras what so ever. Someone explain to me the link. I want to hear other's thoughts on this.

Like I mentioned on another thread, any kind of energy movement in your physical or subtle bodies involves the chakras. Period. it is what they are for, moving energy, storing, and transforming energy. Even physical energy - I am utilizing chakras right now in order to move my body, interpret what I am reading, and formulate a response. I'm using my solar plexus, root, throat, and third eye. On occasion I might use my crown if I am channeling some kind of higher intuition.

I am one who believes that psionics is just a form of energy work. And to me, telepathy, telekinesis, empathy, etc., all comes down to energetic states and the manipulation thereof. I think that people are often unaware of the energy they use to do things, especially if they are naturally gifted with talents - not just psionic or magickal, but any talent in general - because it comes so easy for them it doesn't warrant too much thinking about.

Like in the power chakra thread, you mentioned that you don't have to do any third eye opening/exercise, and I suspect you are not especially aware of any particular sensation around that area? It is probably just naturally in harmony with other centers in your system. You might imagine your body made up of vibrations. A sea of vibration. You chakras are the centers of vibration that cause that sea to vibrate in the first place. They are the pathway that the real you, the energetic being pulling all of the strings, uses to interact with the physical body, to make it alive and doing things, percieving things, thinking things, etc. There are many layers to the subtle body, and each layer uses these energy centers to communicate and utilize the ones below it.

So, it is not a given that you might sense these individual energy centers in your body 'accidentally' that is, without looking for them, even if you didn't know about chakras. I didn't when I first discovered my heart chakra, I just had an experience that caused it some trauma, and my attention was drawn to it, and then eventually to similar kinds of feelings in other places. It wasn't until years later that I learned you could interact with those feelings, and I'm a natural energy worker - I do it like breathing, and I know now which chakras I use to accomplish which tasks, but I wasn't initially aware that I was doing anything other than moving energy just by doing it.

It didn't take a great deal of analysis for me to learn technique, when it came to energy work, but even though I developed my technique to a very fine degree, I didn't realize my chakras played a role. When i became aware of them, and began to develope my consciousness of them, then I understood because I could see and feel way they interacted when i did different kinds of energy work. My techniques all amounted to utilizing different combinations of chakras, even though I wasn't doing it on purpose.

Because that is the nature of the chakras. You could say that, in as much as all energy might as well be considered intentional energy, as all energy does some kind of work, chakras regulate various kinds of intentional energy. All other intentional energies are made of combinations of these basic seven energies (more in other systems, representing, i believe, intentions few people ever utilize).

The root regulates the intention to be, to persist, to live. The second regulates the intention to acquire, satiate, have. The third regulates the intention to defend, sustain individuality, be self-sufficient. The fourth regulates the intention to be connected, to others, to oneself, which translates roughly as love, though our usage of the word is pale in comparison to the actual force itself. The fifth regulates the intention to express, communicate, move in the world in any way. The sixth (third eye) regulates the intention to percieve, analyze, interpret, utilize the mental body. The seventh regulates the intention to connect and communicate with higher consciousness.

That is a very rough list. The intentions themselves are difficult to accurately express in words, and to evidence that almost every piece of literature you read will use a different set that are recognizably related to one another. The intentions themselves are wordless, and we know most 'intentions' as combinations of them.

The point is, all intentions must be regulated through the chakras. You can effectively cripple a psion by shutting down their throat chakra, and/or third eye. The throat would be the 'sneaky way' while the third eye is the more obvious and 'blunt' way. That is, assuming that they are unaware of their higher subtle bodies and are unable to utilize them. That, or to close the center on a level higher than they can consciously act from.

Argue as you will, there is plenty more to say on the subject.

peace

This post has been edited by Vagrant Dreamer: Nov 18 2007, 10:09 AM

Like I mentioned on another thread, any kind of energy movement in your physical or subtle bodies involves the chakras. Period. it is what they are for, moving energy, storing, and transforming energy. Even physical energy - I am utilizing chakras right now in order to move my body, interpret what I am reading, and formulate a response. I'm using my solar plexus, root, throat, and third eye. On occasion I might use my crown if I am channeling some kind of higher intuition.

I thought that the desire to move triggered the neurons in the brain to send an electrochemical message to the central nervous system that branched off into the perphial nervous system which triggered the muscles and tendons to contract... I also thought that the ability to understand and comprehend what is being said came from the various parts of the brain interacting... The energy that powers these interactions is not mystical in nature. It comes from the stucture of a neuron. Depending on the purpose, the sodium potassium ion pumps become more negatively charged (resting potential) or positively charged (action potential). This charge travels through the soma or cell body of the neuron, through the axon, through the dendrites, through the termini, and either hits a termini button that releases neurotransmitters into a synaptic gap or passes through the dendrite of another cell till it reaches its destination. Smaller forms of energy are gathered through breathing. Cellular respiration gets the mitochrondia to produce energy which powers the cells and don't forget the breakdown of various molecules in food for energy.

Because that is the nature of the chakras. You could say that, in as much as all energy might as well be considered intentional energy, as all energy does some kind of work, chakras regulate various kinds of intentional energy. All other intentional energies are made of combinations of these basic seven energies (more in other systems, representing, i believe, intentions few people ever utilize).

The root regulates the intention to be, to persist, to live. The second regulates the intention to acquire, satiate, have. The third regulates the intention to defend, sustain individuality, be self-sufficient. The fourth regulates the intention to be connected, to others, to oneself, which translates roughly as love, though our usage of the word is pale in comparison to the actual force itself. The fifth regulates the intention to express, communicate, move in the world in any way. The sixth (third eye) regulates the intention to percieve, analyze, interpret, utilize the mental body. The seventh regulates the intention to connect and communicate with higher consciousness.

That is a very rough list. The intentions themselves are difficult to accurately express in words, and to evidence that almost every piece of literature you read will use a different set that are recognizably related to one another. The intentions themselves are wordless, and we know most 'intentions' as combinations of them.

The point is, all intentions must be regulated through the chakras. You can effectively cripple a psion by shutting down their throat chakra, and/or third eye. The throat would be the 'sneaky way' while the third eye is the more obvious and 'blunt' way. That is, assuming that they are unaware of their higher subtle bodies and are unable to utilize them. That, or to close the center on a level higher than they can consciously act from.

These are esoteric/metaphysical archetypes that differ based upon subjective experience and thought. In addition to that, I noticed that you are working with simply the Kudolini system. In my studies in Hapkido and Akido, we were taught a bigger scope of this, not to mention, if you go with that complete system, there are 72,000 minor nadis and 24 major ones... Anyways, there is no proof that says anything about there being mystical energy or subtle bodies. A lot of people use that word incorrectly, too. Energy is the capacity to do work. ΔE = W , ΔE = W + Q, ΔE = W + Q + E, Epi + Eki = EpF + EkF .

The affect could be psychosomatic, too. You create the affects yourself. Let us use the paradigm of the subtle body. How are the functions of each energy processing unit assigned. It seems to be rooted in spirituality. Let us say that there are subtle bodies that branch up there. They are not manifest on this plane of reality. They are out of sync, therefore, their affect on this plane would not be that much. I still don't understand where the third eye and throat chakras thing comes with psions. The affects and the power all come from the mind and maybe the nervous system. It is the brain, not the subtle body.

But, I would like to hear some more of your thoughts on the matter.

But, I would like to hear some more of your thoughts on the matter.

I'm well aware of the biomechanical aspect of the body and how it processes the movement of energy in itself. Where exactly the intention to do those things comes from is a debate that I doubt we will resolve here, when it has been going on since the dawn of science.

I referenced, because you mentioned chakras in relation to psionics, only the seven major chakras. There are, in my experience, 13 of them, six of which are concerned strictly with the connection of the subtle body to that which encompasses it. That is not even to consider the secondary centers located at each of the joints in the body, and the tertiary centers commonly called accupuncture points. The Nadis are concerned with how energy goes from one center to the other. Esoterically speaking.

Biologically speaking, it is understood within the paradigm of vedic science that these various major and minor energy centers in the body govern and direct the physical body on all of it's levels. Consider your point of view in relationship to your body. You do not have to think hard about doing anything with it, you simply do things. You are using intention, will, and energy to do them, but it is all a smooth process.

While our modern science understands the mechanics of how the body functions, what we talk about when we consider chakras and subtle bodies, is why it functions at all. Why the body identifies itself as an individual, has a unique point of view, and has spiritual experiences sometimes related to itself and sometimes to something greater. In time, our scientific society may well pick apart and categorize these 'subtle energies' around the time that the prove conclusively the existence of Psi energy, perhaps, through empirical observation rather than through intelligent inference. The idea of chakras and subtle bodies will still be Laughable to most scientifically minded individuals, but realistically only because they prefer to think that they have discovered something new. The vedic holy books described a universe composed of vibration thousands of years ago, and today it is a prominent aspect of many of the newer scientific theories. While I do not take anything that I have read in 'ancient books' at face value or as canon, my experience with chakras - mine and those of other people - have demonstrated to me that they can affect brain activity, quality of life in general, and physical systems as well.

Could it be psychosomatic? I thought for a time that it was, but then I read about the system - after I had been exploring it myself haphazardly for some time. At that time I was no where near as talented as I am now.

A great misconception westerners have about chakras is that they are the systems of the body. That comes from a classical western belief that the self is contained in the body, that it is the place from which we operate. It is not. While it houses the point of view that we believe to be central, that is only because we are not accustomed to experiencing a non-physical point of view. We are more complex than this, and just as the nervous system is only one system in the body, the physical body is only one system in your total being. You yourself have said that you can connect to and look at systems outside of yourself - molecules, cells, etc. You no doubt experience that in your mind, but what part of you is looking? It has been proven rather conclusively my many studies - though their lack of bias is, in my opinion, probably suspect - that brain activity does not extend far enough from the brain to be interacting with objects outside of the physical body. While many studies apparently seem to have proven that psionic abilities to exist somehow, no one can say exactly how so far - psi is just a theory. Until it can be measured, documented, obvserved empirically, that is all it will ever be. However, if the vedic philosophers had a good intuition about how the universe is put together - albeit described through symbolism and illustration rather than equations - perhaps the idea that there are non-physical elements to our total makeup bears some consideration as well.

I am proposing that what is called 'psi' is a subcategory of the subtle energy system generally. The subtle bodies, and the energies that they process, are as varied as the systems and proteins of the physical body.

So, when I say that I am using chakras now to observe, analyze, respond, and act, I do not mean that it is not my brain doing it, but that the processes going on in my brain are governed by an energetic actions within my subtle bodies. If that energetic action was interrupted, so would my physical actions be interrupted. It is energy, and it does do work - it is the energy of your intention to do anything, and the precursor to that, and so on. The origination point of every intention, and every consequence of those intentions, is far beyond the physical body.

It is always difficult to discuss these systems with people heavily steeped in scientific theory. There is a certain pride to the western scientific mind, such that I have never met one to date who did not feel that the vedic/eastern theories somehow must usurp our scientific understanding of how the physical body operates. It is simply not the whole picture.

And of course, it is a spiritual thing. But that does not mean it is not scientific, observable, and able to be experimented with - with repeatable, calculated results. The world, in one line of opinion, and everything in it is spiritual in nature. Of course, each individual may believe that or not. Many do not. But, they none the less live by the same rules as those that do, and can be affected by those rules regardless of their lack of belief.

Which, I suppose, all may sound as though I'm trying to convince you. I'm not - it wouldn't matter - but if you want a more detailed and traditional look at the subtle systems of the body, there are books on vedic science that I'm certain you can get your hands on, far better articulated by people who are far more familiar and experienced than I am. What I know is my own comparably limited experience confirmed by a great deal of theory. Once I confirmed all of my experiences with my subtle body, I gave a bit more credit to the rest of the theory.

peace