Thoughts On Teleporting, via astral projection Options

This hasn't really formulated in my mind enough yet to become a theory, so it's more just a jumble of thoughts I wanted to get some input on. I came across a few theories in various sources where people believed that someone could teleport physically with enough practice by astral projecting and then pulling their physical body to them. I also came across a website while researching something completely unrelated - that is, underground tunnels in cities that gangs used for fast escapes. I found a lot of information speculating the existance of some underground tunnels in San Fransisco, although they were never found after the gigantuous earthquake. As to the original point, theres a theory that the tunnels didnt physically exist, but there were secret rooms with certain metals and gemstones used for conducting enough energy to teleport out, using some magical laws of chinese alchemy. Site is here if you want to read the less scattered summary:
http://www.sfgate.com/offbeat/city.html
ANYWAY, I'm just wondering if anyone thinks this would be possible, or the theory of summoning your body to you with astral projection has any possibilities. Also, I know a lot of people agree with the concept of astrally travelling in time on the spiritual plane. If one's able to teleport through astral projection, in theory it would also be possible to pull your body through time, therefore time travelling physically. Pretty sketchorific stuff. Not sure what my opinions are on any of this, but any others are welcome. Thanks

PS - Not sure if this belongs in this forum, so move if it should be elsewhere

I'm interested on what brought you to that conclusion. Personally, my thoughts are mixed. First, it's theoretically possible, but the level of power needed is insane. To do what you're suggesting, you would need to convert your body into energy and resequence it at the point where your body and mind reconnect.

And you couldn't change mid-transit either. If someone interrupted even a small amount of that energy, you would return half-formed, if not worse. Plus, even if it wasn't interrupted, you need large amounts of talent, experience, and knowledge to put your body back together molecule by molecule in a fraction of a microsecond so you don't turn to dust.

So I say, sure.

I'm interested on what brought you to that conclusion. Personally, my thoughts are mixed. First, it's theoretically possible, but the level of power needed is insane. To do what you're suggesting, you would need to convert your body into energy and resequence it at the point where your body and mind reconnect.

And you couldn't change mid-transit either. If someone interrupted even a small amount of that energy, you would return half-formed, if not worse. Plus, even if it wasn't interrupted, you need large amounts of talent, experience, and knowledge to put your body back together molecule by molecule in a fraction of a microsecond so you don't turn to dust.

So I say, sure.

If it were possible, I actually don't think it would be that complicated - you wouldn't have to know the position of every molecule of your physical body, the morphogenic field, a sort of energetic template for your physical form, takes care of that. Imagine that each molecule has a very specific frequency due to it's placement within the field, so when the particles that make up the molecules vanish from one spot and reappear in another, they return to physical space in their context to one another through the medium of the field.

That's assuming that it's necessary for all the molecules to come apart like that. It's possible that teleportation is matter of restructuring one's context within the quantum field - instead of popping apart and passing through time and space, you just take time and space out of the equation, the your coordinates in the field change, and so your experience changes - instead of experiencing the information of 'this' part of the field, you experience 'that' part of the field. To outside observers, assuming observers wouldn't lock your quantum signature in place which they probably would, you'd just not be there anymore.

However, we do know that a particle can vanish from one place and reappear in another - physical teleportation on the quantum level. So, real teleportation could be a matter of generating a focused fluctuation of energy which 'bumps' the localized field that your own field is interacting with to another location.

Bad things could still happen, but I think that because of the nature of energies within the field, and the fact that you'd never reach out for a context of 'stuck in a wall' they're less likely than you might think.

Not that any of that is anything I can say anything about for sure - I don't know anyone who can teleport and so far I haven't figured it out either.

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If it were possible, I actually don't think it would be that complicated - you wouldn't have to know the position of every molecule of your physical body, the morphogenic field, a sort of energetic template for your physical form, takes care of that. Imagine that each molecule has a very specific frequency due to it's placement within the field, so when the particles that make up the molecules vanish from one spot and reappear in another, they return to physical space in their context to one another through the medium of the field.

That's assuming that it's necessary for all the molecules to come apart like that. It's possible that teleportation is matter of restructuring one's context within the quantum field - instead of popping apart and passing through time and space, you just take time and space out of the equation, the your coordinates in the field change, and so your experience changes - instead of experiencing the information of 'this' part of the field, you experience 'that' part of the field. To outside observers, assuming observers wouldn't lock your quantum signature in place which they probably would, you'd just not be there anymore.

In developmental biology, a morphogenetic field is a group of cells able to respond to discrete, localized biochemical signals leading to the development of specific morphological structures or organs.[1][2] The spatial and temporal extent of the embryonic fields are dynamic, and within the field is a collection of interacting cells out of which a particular organ is formed.[3] As a group, the cells within a given morphogenetic field are constrained — i.e. cells in a limb field will become a limb tissue, those in a cardiac field will become heart tissue.[4] Importantly, however, the specific cellular programming of individual cells in a field is flexible: an individual cell in a cardiac field can be redirected via cell-to-cell signaling to replace specific damaged or missing cells.[4] Imaginal discs in insect larvae are examples of morphogenetic fields.[5]

That has to do with morphgensis or the impact on variables shaping biological things. I should mention that I am a sophmore and that microbiology is my major in college, but let us not get into that. The molecular examples of this would be morphgens (soluable molecules that carry and diffuse signals). It has been discovered that when an electron reaches a certain state, it can not be measured. It simply vanishes from detection and that is a group of single sub atomic particles. It is not even an entire atom. A single particle is different than a human body. You can not take time and space out of the equation, either.

The rest is a miss application of the quantum field theory, the observer affect, and Heinsburg Uncertanity Principle. You left out coherence and discoherence. You left out the classical systems in place that give an object its properties. You glossed over the biological and physical paradoxes. There is no such thing that, as of yet, as locality. One thing can not be instantly transported or transmitted to another location with such factors as time affecting not it. Light can't even do that.

There is no such thing as an energy template for the body, unless you would like to argue the subtle body angle, but that has not been proven of yet and I highly doubt that it would have a physical impact. If that was the case, that a person's amputated arm should know to grow back. The cells would know where to go and rearrange themselves in such a pattern. Just sew up a person's arm and they would be good to go. The cells would follow the "template" that the subtle body provides.

And you can't use Quantum Mechanics to prove or justify "magickal" thoughts.

As far as the phasing through the astral that is another different beast. You would have to do a complete transmutation, which I don't think is possible.

This post has been edited by telempath: Nov 21 2007, 12:24 AM