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Goetic Experiment - Gremory, The evocation fails, can you hazard a guess why? |
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Theodor Voland |
Jul 16 2007, 03:05 PM
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Hi all,
I've been working on a Goetic evocation of Gremory for some time now, following Imperial Arts' instructions (that is to say: following the instructions in the text exactly). So far, I have not had any success whatsoever and, having run out of ideas, I would like to ask for your help in identifying potential flaws or issues in either my tools or procedures (or both). I've PMed the contents of this post to Imperial Arts, but I thought it may be beneficial to post it publicly as well, on the chance that someone else may learn from my mistakes.
Here, then, is my setup.
Tools
Robe - white linen, self-made; the hat is made from the same material with a pointy top and sides coming over the ears
No belt (I have yet to acquire the lion skin necessary)
A silver disk with the pentagram of Solomon inscribed on one side around the neck
A copper disk with the pentagram of Solomon inscribed on one side and the seal of Gremory on the other
A hexagram of Solomon made from calf skin with the figure burnt into it; covered by a piece of linen cloth and attached to the skirt of the robe by a pin
A silver ring with three names inscribed on it
Hyssop oil - proper, 100% pure oil, purchased from a friend who mixes her own
Sword - an cast iron sword
Hazel wand - just that, a hazel wand
An incense burner with a charcoal and benzoin incense
A mix of sulphur + asafetida in a container - though I admit, I never have used this stuff
Chains - set of chains to suspend the stinky mixture and seal above a flame on a sword blade
Circle - 9 feet in diameter, fashioned after the diagram in MS 2731 (using the names + sigils of planets); names are in English (as per two of the MS's and to keep consistent with the rest of the inscriptions, which are in English); the circle is drawn on a large piece of canvas; the four candle 'holders' (pentagrams) are on separate squares of canvas positioned around the circle
Triangle - 3 feet on each side, 2 feet away from the circle in the East; names as in MS; circle in the middle unshaded/uncolored
Procedure
-Working on the even days of the waxing moon (e.g. today - July 16, 2007 - being the 2nd day of the moon)
-Working shortly after sunrise (because I'm dealing with a duke here)
-Begin by washing my face and hands (while reciting the Psalm) and applying Hyssop oil to eyes (closed! :-) , eyebrows, and temples (the stuff burns, but no permanent damage...I hope)
-Next, I put on the robe, then pentacles (silver and copper), then ring, then hat, all the while reciting the proper passage ("I cloath myself...")
-Then, I light the four candles and step into the circle
-Kneeling, I recite the prayers from book 5
-At the completion of the above, I begin by reading the first Conjuration as per MS 3825
-The above step is repeated several times and if nothing happens, I go on to 2nd Conjuration, then Constraint, then Invocation of King (Amaymon, in this case), then repeat Conjuration 1+2+Constraint, then Curse of Chains
-if all of the above fails to produce any noticeable results whatsoever, this is where I stop, read a slightly modified version of 'License to Depart' and finish
I presume (perhaps incorrectly) that if my actions up to the point of Conjuration of Fire yielded in no result, there is little point to stinking up the place with the fire and sulfur.
And that's that. During this whole procedure there is nothing at all that happens. There are no sounds, temperature changes, light changes, etc. I presume that lack of *any* results indicates a crucial flaw in the operation, for that would be the case in any other scientific experiment.
Any ideas/thoughts/comments?
Many thanks,
-Theodor
This post has been edited by Theodor Voland: Jul 16 2007, 03:32 PM
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