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post Jul 17 2007, 05:52 PM
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I was reading Dion Fortune´s "Psychic Self-Defence" in which came a paragraph that caught my particular attention, followed by a brief experience of hers. The paragraph reads as follows:

"There is a very curious aspect of the occult field concerning which something must be said in the present
pages, though not a great deal can be revealed, and, to be frank, I do not know a great deal about it
myself, but only such aspects as I have actually come across. I have always heard it called the Occult
Police; others may know it by different names but I believe it to be a very real and concrete thing, though
its organisation is not upon the physical plane, nor, so far as I know, are its mundane activities gathered
up into any single pair of hands. I have crossed its trail upon a number of occasions, and played my part
in its activities, and I have talked with others who have also been concerned in it, and they have always
said as I do, that it is the inner voice and circumstances alone that direct our activities when we
co-operate with this mysterious organisation."

It caught my attention because I have heard of the Occult Police but always (mis) took it for a joke. Oh dont tell anyone or ill be in trouble with the occult police and such.
Then Dion Fortune came into my life. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

I also read, in the same book, that there are certain lodges called Hunting Lodges in which the purpose of the group is to stop the wrong doings of Black Lodges and that the Hunting Lodges have some sort of link or direct connection to the Occult Police.

So I was wondering, is there such a thing as "Occult Police"? What are your experiences with this organization if any? or just jot down your opinion about them.

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post Jul 20 2007, 05:27 PM
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The 'Occult Police' hinted at by Fortune stems from a common (within various occult communities) belief that there are 'ascended masters' that look in on the occult darings-do of the world. They employ a variegated collection of real life and spiritual personages that adhere to a higher 'ascetic' cause (these are my poorly chosen words, i apologize). According to this 'ascended master' ideology the 'occult police' are a collective that responds to pleas for intervention. This belief has been passed down through a number of modern day occult 'lodges'/orders both, incidently, of Western AND Eastern philosophy. What the Aztecs may have believed....who knows? The idea to fit this belief into the status quo vs progressives paradigm is oversimplification, IMHO, of course. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/i_triangle.gif)


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post Jul 20 2007, 07:09 PM
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QUOTE(bym @ Jul 20 2007, 07:27 PM) *
The 'Occult Police' hinted at by Fortune stems from a common (within various occult communities) belief that there are 'ascended masters' that look in on the occult darings-do of the world. They employ a variegated collection of real life and spiritual personages that adhere to a higher 'ascetic' cause (these are my poorly chosen words, i apologize). According to this 'ascended master' ideology the 'occult police' are a collective that responds to pleas for intervention. This belief has been passed down through a number of modern day occult 'lodges'/orders both, incidently, of Western AND Eastern philosophy. What the Aztecs may have believed....who knows? The idea to fit this belief into the status quo vs progressives paradigm is oversimplification, IMHO, of course. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/i_triangle.gif)


I dunno anything about ascended beings besides that they are a large part of the "I AM" ideology, and I am pretty sure I have never met one, but it is undeniable that established religions tend to try to crush and cut down rival and nascent ones... Roman paganism tried to do it with Christianity, and when it found it could not it converted itself to a state endorsed version of Christianity ... When the Spanish arrived in the new world the way they "policed" what they saw as a Satanic religio-social structure was baptism in blood and bacteria. Where ever Christianity has gone it has played the role of judge, jury and executioner when it has found opposing belief systems. Basically I guess I am saying that any faction or group can play a policing role in terms of the occult, and the faction that has the backing of the most wealthy or politically powerful individuals usually comes out on top. I guess I am boiling it down to mean occult policing essentially equals religious or holy war. For what else is policing besides clashes of armed violence by one faction who wants to maintain order and another who jus don' give a fuhk. Conflict theory I don't think is a simplification on this one... conflict between factions truly has been the motorforce of political and religious history, from the 30 years war after Protestantism was introduced in Germany, to the regional war between Sunnis and Shias in the Middle East right now - being on one side or the other of an occult, metaphysical or holy war means coming into direct conflict with other humans who want to police your occult and metaphysical beliefs and activities.

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post Jul 20 2007, 07:36 PM
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Funny how an Occult Police force could fail to stop the 3rd Reich.

I only mean to say that any group of living humans working magic in secret to combat The Black Brothers and other occult bad-guys, whose hotline happens to be the visualization of a green cross, is nonexistent.

Ascended Masters? Saints? An Invisible College? Noble Djinn? Who knows, not me. But it is an entirely different thing to believe in benevolent spirits than to ask a reader take seriously the concept of The Occult Police.

As Bym mentioned, "Deo Non Fortuna" deserves appreciation for her life and work, and for her unashamed (if occasionally short of the mark) accounts of occult doctrine. She had envisioned an occult discipline that would be compatible (more or less) with Angican Christianity, and for better or worse she put up a respectable effort. It was somewhat liberal in philosophy, but very conservative as an organization. She was definitely not in it for the money.


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QUOTE(Imperial Arts @ Jul 20 2007, 07:36 PM) *
Funny how an Occult Police force could fail to stop the 3rd Reich....


Who says they failed? The 3rd Reich was toppled and destroyed with it's leadership either committing suicide or being executed. Sounds like a success to me. Unfortunately the 3rd Reich did a lot of damage before their demise, but they were destroyed in the end.

There are a number of books that are about different orders and groups that did a great deal of magical/astral work against the Nazi's during WW2, Fortune leading one of them. Weather they were some official "Occult Police" or not is unknown, but they certainly acted like they were, or at least were acting in support of or on behalf of the "Occult Police".


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clips   Occult Police?   Jul 17 2007, 05:52 PM
TheScarletWhore   The "occult police" definately exist... ...   Jul 17 2007, 06:52 PM
Imperial Arts   I have read this book and recall the Occult Police...   Jul 17 2007, 07:42 PM
Uwe   I have read this book and recall the Occult Police...   Nov 21 2007, 11:18 PM
kouya   Occult police for humans is quite absurd as humans...   Jul 17 2007, 08:50 PM
SPoison   There may very well be a group that fancies themse...   Jul 17 2007, 09:22 PM
clips   Yes, that is what i also think. I read a while b...   Jul 17 2007, 09:59 PM
Slayden   Three may keep a secret... if two of them are dead...   Jul 20 2007, 02:39 AM
bym   Greetings! To SPoison: Dion Fortune (aka Viole...   Jul 20 2007, 11:14 AM
TheScarletWhore   I didn't mean to say that there is an actual g...   Jul 20 2007, 11:15 AM
Daathvader   Funny how an Occult Police force could fail to sto...   Dec 12 2007, 12:12 PM
Imperial Arts   Again, without placing any value judgments on thei...   Dec 13 2007, 02:30 AM
Daathvader   I agree with the substance of what you are saying,...   Dec 13 2007, 08:26 AM
Petrus   [color=#3333FF]Funny how an Occult Police force c...   Sep 29 2008, 04:12 PM
CosmicInferno   this may be of interest to some in relation to ...   Aug 3 2007, 09:06 PM
4symbols   the phenomenon of occult police includes three phe...   Aug 17 2007, 01:52 AM
paxx   If there are Occult Police, they are not in the no...   Nov 22 2007, 01:56 AM
flyingmojo   Made me think of Twin Peaks! :) The Bookhouse...   Nov 22 2007, 07:52 PM
Malvhina   Occult Police - hocum pocum? I don't think so....   Nov 24 2007, 12:51 PM
Acid09   Weren't there several episodes of charmed wher...   Dec 13 2007, 05:00 PM
Petrus   These guys sound like a bunch of nazis and of the...   Sep 29 2008, 04:25 PM
The Sorceress   "YOU THERE! DROP THAT ATHAME AND PUT YOU...   Dec 18 2007, 02:12 AM
Darkmage   Haha, nice. ;) Along with: Move along. There is n...   Dec 18 2007, 02:51 AM
al_zaine   You have the right to do what thou wilt, anything ...   May 22 2008, 07:54 AM
esoterica   quick, empty your mind! - its the psychic po-p...   May 23 2008, 06:33 AM
Darkmage   Heh! "No, officer! I'm just hol...   May 23 2008, 07:13 AM
Lucifer   My experience with the "occult police" h...   Sep 29 2008, 06:15 AM
Krell   I believe that there are Occult Police, to the poi...   Sep 29 2008, 08:32 AM
Praxis   The conceit of their being Occult Police that are ...   Nov 30 2008, 09:12 PM

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