Occult Police?, Fact or Fiction Options

I was reading Dion Fortune´s "Psychic Self-Defence" in which came a paragraph that caught my particular attention, followed by a brief experience of hers. The paragraph reads as follows:

"There is a very curious aspect of the occult field concerning which something must be said in the present
pages, though not a great deal can be revealed, and, to be frank, I do not know a great deal about it
myself, but only such aspects as I have actually come across. I have always heard it called the Occult
Police; others may know it by different names but I believe it to be a very real and concrete thing, though
its organisation is not upon the physical plane, nor, so far as I know, are its mundane activities gathered
up into any single pair of hands. I have crossed its trail upon a number of occasions, and played my part
in its activities, and I have talked with others who have also been concerned in it, and they have always
said as I do, that it is the inner voice and circumstances alone that direct our activities when we
co-operate with this mysterious organisation."

It caught my attention because I have heard of the Occult Police but always (mis) took it for a joke. Oh dont tell anyone or ill be in trouble with the occult police and such.
Then Dion Fortune came into my life. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

I also read, in the same book, that there are certain lodges called Hunting Lodges in which the purpose of the group is to stop the wrong doings of Black Lodges and that the Hunting Lodges have some sort of link or direct connection to the Occult Police.

So I was wondering, is there such a thing as "Occult Police"? What are your experiences with this organization if any? or just jot down your opinion about them.

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The 'Occult Police' hinted at by Fortune stems from a common (within various occult communities) belief that there are 'ascended masters' that look in on the occult darings-do of the world. They employ a variegated collection of real life and spiritual personages that adhere to a higher 'ascetic' cause (these are my poorly chosen words, i apologize). According to this 'ascended master' ideology the 'occult police' are a collective that responds to pleas for intervention. This belief has been passed down through a number of modern day occult 'lodges'/orders both, incidently, of Western AND Eastern philosophy. What the Aztecs may have believed....who knows? The idea to fit this belief into the status quo vs progressives paradigm is oversimplification, IMHO, of course. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/i_triangle.gif)

The 'Occult Police' hinted at by Fortune stems from a common (within various occult communities) belief that there are 'ascended masters' that look in on the occult darings-do of the world. They employ a variegated collection of real life and spiritual personages that adhere to a higher 'ascetic' cause (these are my poorly chosen words, i apologize). According to this 'ascended master' ideology the 'occult police' are a collective that responds to pleas for intervention. This belief has been passed down through a number of modern day occult 'lodges'/orders both, incidently, of Western AND Eastern philosophy. What the Aztecs may have believed....who knows? The idea to fit this belief into the status quo vs progressives paradigm is oversimplification, IMHO, of course. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/i_triangle.gif)

I dunno anything about ascended beings besides that they are a large part of the "I AM" ideology, and I am pretty sure I have never met one, but it is undeniable that established religions tend to try to crush and cut down rival and nascent ones... Roman paganism tried to do it with Christianity, and when it found it could not it converted itself to a state endorsed version of Christianity ... When the Spanish arrived in the new world the way they "policed" what they saw as a Satanic religio-social structure was baptism in blood and bacteria. Where ever Christianity has gone it has played the role of judge, jury and executioner when it has found opposing belief systems. Basically I guess I am saying that any faction or group can play a policing role in terms of the occult, and the faction that has the backing of the most wealthy or politically powerful individuals usually comes out on top. I guess I am boiling it down to mean occult policing essentially equals religious or holy war. For what else is policing besides clashes of armed violence by one faction who wants to maintain order and another who jus don' give a fuhk. Conflict theory I don't think is a simplification on this one... conflict between factions truly has been the motorforce of political and religious history, from the 30 years war after Protestantism was introduced in Germany, to the regional war between Sunnis and Shias in the Middle East right now - being on one side or the other of an occult, metaphysical or holy war means coming into direct conflict with other humans who want to police your occult and metaphysical beliefs and activities.

Funny how an Occult Police force could fail to stop the 3rd Reich.

I only mean to say that any group of living humans working magic in secret to combat The Black Brothers and other occult bad-guys, whose hotline happens to be the visualization of a green cross, is nonexistent.

Ascended Masters? Saints? An Invisible College? Noble Djinn? Who knows, not me. But it is an entirely different thing to believe in benevolent spirits than to ask a reader take seriously the concept of The Occult Police.

As Bym mentioned, "Deo Non Fortuna" deserves appreciation for her life and work, and for her unashamed (if occasionally short of the mark) accounts of occult doctrine. She had envisioned an occult discipline that would be compatible (more or less) with Angican Christianity, and for better or worse she put up a respectable effort. It was somewhat liberal in philosophy, but very conservative as an organization. She was definitely not in it for the money.

Funny how an Occult Police force could fail to stop the 3rd Reich.

Assuming the "Occult Police" is composed of superhuman entities from higher planes of existence, I think it would be hasty to project our own value systems onto them. Even among humans, values differ greatly, although there are certain tendencies that seem to be universal amongst us. When we're talking about beings of an entirely different order, I think it's safe to take our own ideas about what is prudent, just or necessary and throw them out the window, as such ideas are based on what we can discern given our modes of perception and comprehension.
To illustrate, I ask the question: What do dogs concern themselves with from day to day? How about ants? Amoebas? On what do they base their decisions about what actions to take or not to take? When it comes to policing, ants will fight to protect the colony, or invade other colonies for the purposes of survival. How much of this is based on conscious forethought and how much is pure instinct? Can ants understand human politics? Economics? Sociology? Astronomy? I can't say for sure, not being an ant, but it's safe to assume that an ant can't even imagine the kinds of decisions and possibilities humans are faced with. We can see and comprehend more than them and the scope of our decisions is greater. A chain of worker ants in a human's kitchen probably has no idea why the human comes along with a can of Raid and wipes them out by the dozens, while we generally leave the ants living outdoors to their own devices.

Again, without placing any value judgments on their actions, if the occult Police exist, there's no way we can say why they were "unsuccessful" in stopping the Third Reich. Did they even try to? What are their values and how do they decide such things? It could very well be that they let the Third Reich carry on as long as it did on purpose because they comprehend some consequence of it that we can scarcely conceive of. How far ahead can a human look compared to an ant? How far ahead can an archangel look compared with a human? Who knows what goes into the decisions of such beings?

Again, without placing any value judgments on their actions, if the occult Police exist, there's no way we can say why they were "unsuccessful" in stopping the Third Reich. Did they even try to? What are their values and how do they decide such things? It could very well be that they let the Third Reich carry on as long as it did on purpose because they comprehend some consequence of it that we can scarcely conceive of. How far ahead can a human look compared to an ant? How far ahead can an archangel look compared with a human? Who knows what goes into the decisions of such beings?
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I agree with the substance of what you are saying, in that we should not project our opinions into the affairs of things more complicated than our personal biases.

On the other hand, the notion of an Occult Police even vaguely similar to what Dion Fortune proposes is (IMO) nonsense. Are the neighborhood witches gathering to curse your pigs? Just visualize this green cross and all will be handled by authoritative spirit-masters! While I am sure she wrote this with the best of intentions, it is purely her fantasy. Perhaps there are spirits or even occultist humans who keep watch or take vigilante action, but the Occult Police she describes are not such a general body but rather a specific and supposedly secret magical fraternity. I disbelieve in their entire existence, and I have serious doubts about the effectiveness of any group waiting for some random person to visualize a common symbol so they can take magical action against that person's adversaries.