Magikal Circle Creation On A Wooden Floor Options

What would you reccommend to draw a magical circle on a wooden floor that will wash off easy?????


will chalk do the trick?? or watercolors???

Dear 'norrinradd,'

From the Old System Magic perspective, I strongly advise against drawing your Circle of the Art on a wood or textile floor. It must be drawn upon the earth or a on concrete floor laid directly upon the earth. If an evocation to physical manifestation is conducted CORRECTLY, there will be a MAJOR difference of results between conducting it on the ground than on the upper floor of an appartment building. In the matter of degree, the spirit that will appear in the smoke of the Perfume of the Art will appear so real that you will think it is another physical being you are conversing with. The reason is because the earth stabalizes the whole operation and the instability of the spirit works against them (Ceremonial Magic and the Power of Evocation, Lisiewski, pp. 116-117). In this work it is all or nothing--if you cannot find a place to conduct your Magic--tough luck! This is NOT the new age where so-called 'magicians' do whatever they want or feel like based on their 'feelings.' You are dealing with very percise laws in REAL Magic that you CANNOT get around. If you try, you will not only fail miserably, but never and I repeat NEVER get the FULL results that you are after. If you don't believe me, then read the posts on this forum where many disgruntled individuals try to give reasons (veiled excuses) for their 'partial results of no significant consequence' or their failures.

As for the chalk: it must be white, and blessed by a Catholic priest. Don't be like the new agers here who will tell you, 'water colors will be alright dude, plus they'll look pretty' or 'just get like some used chalk or something.' No. You must go out and start to build your subjective synthesis and add the EFFICACY to your work. By performing this task you will imprint something powerful in your subconscious mind, and add at the same time the sacerdotal office or quality to the item obtained. You cannot fail if these gradual processes are aligned correctly. Dealing these with entities is NO joke and is indeed dangerous--I WILL NOT bend my thinking here to please 'the masses' or ANYONE in this forum. Based on EXPERIENCE I know how these things work. In fact, I was once contacted by a man on this forum who wanted to casually work with demons in his UPPER room--he underwent massive psychological problems after my CRYSTAL CLEAR instructions to not 'do as you please.' Naturally, he had no control over the spirit and it never appeared like a real physical being to him. He 'changed' EVERYTHING around by mixing and matching Magical systems and did as he 'pleased' (he later confessed what a mistake he had made when he emailed). For all I know, he could be in a psychological ward as I write this post because I never heard from him again.

If I had to tell you anything, it would be to go to 8thmatrixpress.com and get away from this 'new age' miasma while you still can. It will merit you NOTHING and all your 'work' will be for naught.

Most Sincerely,

Mr. Curi

Ah, I imagine any holy man of your chosen religious persuasion will suffice. If you are not catholic, then the blessing of a catholic priest is worthless. Also, the holy man must be genuine - plenty of priests and other holy men are not up to standard. A Rabbi or Guru or some such should suffice as well as a priest. Catholicism is no more the one true religion of G-D than any other religion.

I'd like to see Bym's suggestion on this, his is an opinion I trust. As for me, I've never cared to accomplish physical evocation just yet, waiting for the time I can build a proper room, although I have to agree that it should be done on the ground - not from experience, but rather simply from the observance than any magick of manifestation seems to work better when done with one's feet in contact with the earth.

peace

This is once again a part of the new age miasma that is controlling the so-called 'magical world' as we know it today--and I ask you all to take this into account. No, sir, you may NOT make up your own rules in Old System Magic--I speak to you from EXPERIENCE. You would be mixing systems once again--THIS is NOT permitted in this work. If, for example, you are working from the Heptameron (a Magical ritual with CATHOLIC elements)--you obtain that blessed chalk from a CATHOLIC priest! That's it. There are no more discussions. Otherwise, you are introducing duality and DOUBT into the operation. Though there is no 'recipe' for an evocation and every magician is 'different' what has been written has been written. The laws of Magic are NOT up to your 'feelings' or 'emotions.' You are misguided here on ALL counts. In this work, certain rules are layed out, filled with traps, but all is there. OBEY THE RULES! There is absolutely no 'picking and choosing' what you desire. If you want the full-scale RESULTS that is what you do. So many have realized FROM THIS FORUM that they failed for NOT doing as the Grimoires said. If the grimoire asks for the "blood of a cock that never trod hen" and you bring in your dogs blood into the operation, you are breaking the rules, young man and will achieve a partial result AT BEST (is this what you are REALLY after--ask yourself) 'slingshot effects,' or NOTHING at all!

Most Sincerely,

Mr. Curi

This is once again a part of the new age miasma that is controlling the so-called 'magical world' as we know it today--and I ask you all to take this into account. No, sir, you may NOT make up your own rules in Old System Magic--I speak to you from EXPERIENCE.

Mr Curi, I respect and applaud your experience with Old System Magic, I'm sure it has served you well, and that you've gone far with it. However, Norrinradd made no mention of the system of magick he was working with. Evocation may be an old art, but there are many ways to accomplish it.

You would be mixing systems once again--THIS is NOT permitted in this work. If, for example, you are working from the Heptameron (a Magical ritual with CATHOLIC elements)--you obtain that blessed chalk from a CATHOLIC priest! That's it. There are no more discussions. Otherwise, you are introducing duality and DOUBT into the operation.

Only from the perspective of a person of such a specific religious discrimination that they prefer to work within a religious system that they are at home with. if you were, for instance, luciferian, then chalk blessed by a catholic priest would be at odds. Again, you make the assumption somewhere, that Norrinradd is working from the Heptameron, apparently. If you're suggesting not to mix systems, then logically you ought to have asked what system our friend here was working with. It may be a system drawn together of his own making. While the laws of magick are immutable, there are many ways to enact them - you seems to believe that magickal law is dogmatic, while it in fact is not. The Dogma is only based on magical law - a set of actions and symbols which set those laws into motion. The laws of magick are not catholic in origin, nor do they originate with any religious dogma of mankind.

Though there is no 'recipe' for an evocation and every magician is 'different' what has been written has been written. The laws of Magic are NOT up to your 'feelings' or 'emotions.' You are misguided here on ALL counts. In this work, certain rules are layed out, filled with traps, but all is there. OBEY THE RULES! There is absolutely no 'picking and choosing' what you desire. If you want the full-scale RESULTS that is what you do. So many have realized FROM THIS FORUM that they failed for NOT doing as the Grimoires said. If the grimoire asks for the "blood of a cock that never trod hen" and you bring in your dogs blood into the operation, you are breaking the rules, young man and will achieve a partial result AT BEST (is this what you are REALLY after--ask yourself) 'slingshot effects,' or NOTHING at all!

My grasp of magickal law is quite thorough, thank you, and the role of the holy man - if the magician is not himself an ordained holy man of some faith - is representative of the quintessential As Above, So Below, representing the blessing of the Source, God, itself. If you are not catholic, frankly you ought to work with a magickal system within your own religious views, if you have them. While i have never sought anything but knowledge and very subtle help with causality from spirits, my experience has shown me that the Law itself is more important than the way it is enacted. It depends on where the faith of the individual lies - the the Law, or with some Dogma representing at best only a fraction of it in the first place.

Don't assume everyone is working by your system, or that yours is the only one that works. Magickal Law is the only constant throughout all human culture, and there are often slight variances as to the interpretation of that Law - however, the Dogma by which that Law is utilized and meted out among cultures, is radically different from region to region, and as you say, there is no one 'recipe' for evocation. You don't even have to follow a grimoire if you choose not to, and trial and error will - to the brave and hopefully properly prepared student - yield in time results just as well as any classical grimoire. You seem to be under the impression that these books have existed since the dawn of time, and that only be following one of them can you practice evocation. By all means correct me if I misinterpret your fanaticism.

The individual student's firm grasp of Magickal Law is all that is need to properly enact any and all acts of magick. According to that law, any blessed object, which the initiate recognizes and accepts the authority behind - including, for the hermetic student who follows the Law alone and merely recognizes the presence of the Law in religious Dogma, the blessing of any initiated holy man - is sufficient for any ritual requiring such an object.

Hence:

Ah, I imagine any holy man of your chosen religious persuasion will suffice. If you are not catholic, then the blessing of a catholic priest is worthless. Also, the holy man must be genuine - plenty of priests and other holy men are not up to standard. A Rabbi or Guru or some such should suffice as well as a priest. Catholicism is no more the one true religion of G-D than any other religion.

So stated because I make no assumptions about what system of magick Norrinradd is working with, or what his religious preference is. As I said above, let me repeat - if religious dogma is important to you, you should work with a system that is in line with your own religious preferences in the first place. If it is not important to you, then you are either relatively agnostic, with little religious focus in the first place, or simply a person who relies on a more personal connection with the divine - and in those cases, sometimes following the instructions will pan out, and sometimes it won't - then work with whatever grimoire you choose and follow the instructions. Atheist's simply don't believe in such things and besides - If you have no personal connection to a God, how can you expect to wield his authority to summon and command spirits?

So I'll appreciate it - as a fellow human being as well as a Moderator of this forum - if you will put a bit more thought into what you write here, and respond accordingly to what you read, with no assumptions made if at all possible. And when you do respond, I'll appreciate just a hint of respect, Sir, as you are not the only person to have successfully executed a magickal act and gotten results.

Most Sincerely,

Vagrant