Phallus Options

i was thinking about that a male magician could use the physical phallus, in certain kind of suitable rituals, and use it instead of a wand, replace as a much stronger symbol
of chokmah the will. Would this symbolism produce a stronger effect with the huge symbolism it is associated with?
might sound a bit odd.

This post has been edited by gift22: Dec 31 2007, 06:37 AM

thank you for the advice. does it ever get used in any types of magick (except sex magick)?
i didnt know that meaning behind the robe, makes sense. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Not that I know of--but these types of 'magick' should be avoided at all costs. Using the phallus WILL profane ANY type of Ceremonial work.

I am glad my response about the alb made sense and was helpful! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Most Sincerely,

Mr. Curi

This post has been edited by Mr. Curi: Jan 2 2008, 09:16 AM

Thelema falls under the heading of 'Ceremonial Magick' and I think Crowley would have disagreed with Mr. Curi's take.

Personally I harbor none of the general disdain and religious belief in the profanity of the body. Even as regards the processes of Ceremonial Magick. I do my rituals wearing nothing, but it should be said that I regard my body, during ritual, in terms of occult anatomy purely. That is to say, I regard it as a tool, a map, a physical representation of an occult geography. During ritual, there is no profanity, no base materialism of desire, or carnality.

Ideally, the establishment of the magickal space brings just this state of mind into place. Of course you must be honest with yourself about your own views about your body, your maturity, and your ability to transcend the common physical state of mind that we spend most of our time in, in most cases. The point of the ritual is to transcend the physical, and so you have to find your own sense of equilibrium regarding the place of the physical in your ritual.

I prefer to be unclothed during ritual because it recalls innocence before the fall of man, going naked before God, and the pure unadorned potential, neither hidden nor decorated, but plain and honest.

I think it would be difficult to use the physical phallus as a wand, for purely practical reasons. You must be aroused, for one thing, which means your magick at that point is really only good for one purpose. Also, good luck drawing pentagrams.

However, harboring a belief that your body is profane, utterly carnal, and representing 'evil' strictly - this will lead you to many psychological problems, which imbalances will negatively affect your magick, regardless of what rules and regulations you follow. Like the mind, the body should be seen as something to be mastered, which is only as carnal or evil as you allow it to be. Your presence in your mind, body, and spirit, is like unto the presence of God in Creation, and remembering that application of the first hermetic axiom will go a long way towards applying your mind, body, and spirit towards whatever ends you choose, in whatever fashion you choose to apply them.

peace

I assure you, there will be no psychological problems as a result of keeping your body clothed because you now UNDERSTAND why it must be done in the context of the specific Grimoire etc. from which one is working. If one is sane, the man will notice a difference and divide between his work in spiritual matters versus his work in mundane matters. This requirement is meant to help one reach that state of altered consciousness that will arise only naturally as a result of the work that is done by the individual. If you are working from any of the Grammars of Magic, you will see how this very action will disgrace what it is you are doing and may even destroy your work entirely (but new agers are okay with this--and all 'power' to them). Remember that you are approaching the God of the Grimoires and NOT your idea of what 'seems' to be right for you--you are working with ancient laws and PRINCIPLES that date all the way back to the time of the Egyptians, Greeks and even earlier (from the Western Magic perspective). The body should be covered not because one considers it 'profane' but because in order for that person to obtain the results he/she so badly desires it must be done whether you or I like it or not--this is NOT the new age. From an occult perspective, one should not use the 'phallus' in such sacred and holy work before one's Maker. 'Gift 22' I am glad this has 'clicked' for you.

Most Sincerely,

Mr. Curi

This post has been edited by Mr. Curi: Jan 2 2008, 01:13 PM