Demon Worship, Worship of a demon from the Goetia Options

Without following any strict code of approach like the Goetia or other grimores, I have been experiencing contact with one demon from the Goetia with a fantastic degree of success.

= Approach:
1. Treating the demon with respect and honor
2. Chanting name of demon, visual focus on sigil
3. Incensing sigil with fragrance of plant listed with demon's planet
4. Daily thanks for past favors
5. Placing sigil under pillow at night
6. Offering wine, fresh plant listed with demon's planet, and water on a plain altar
7. Lighting candles, black or of the specific color of the demon's planet
8. Offerings of personal energy
9. Drawing the sigil and using it in artwork for others to see
10. Private sigil drawing in art for devotion

= Environmental observations:
1. A sweet smell, at times overpowering, comes and goes
2. Ripples through the air, like something moving through water
3. Pockets of what appears to be heat vapor as the type you see rising from hot objects like pavement, in midair moving and fading away
4. Candles rising and crackling noises during meditation
5. Crackling noises or popping in the air without candles lit
6. Sudden cold areas in the room, usually near my arms, face

= Communication Methods From Demon:
1. All through dreams, information given to me beyond my wildest expectations, dream images range from obvious to heavy symbolism
2. Odd coincidences in real life which usually point directly to the demon to some degree

I don't believe in "dabbling" in magick, this is not idle amusement, I've done my research, which is not to suggest a convoluted ego. I note and appreciate written cautions against befriending demons and not using protective measures [meaning I use no circle, I never banish, I do not call upon any godform or higher power before, during, or after communicating with the demon]. I am not a practicing Satanist nor do I belong to any Satanic group or order, that includes the recent web-popular "demonolatry" bunch. I'm not knocking such groups but I wish to make this point clear as some may ask if I call upon Satan as some texts describe, I do not. My devotion towards this particular demon from the Goetia has been on-going for several years. During the early contacts, I inquired to another demon from the Goetia about a matter and received an instant response that night in a dream, followed by another dream which was disturbing and made it appear that I had offended the demon I so honor by contacting another for advice instead of him. Since then, I have only maintained contact with the one demon I had so devoted my attention to and the rewards in dreams have been miraculous.

I evoked the demon a couple of times but have not since and never to a degree where I could hear or see it, I blame this on spending no more than an hour on them, an error on my behalf. Honestly, I felt I was pushing it by trying evocation at this point, feeling it best to continue with light contact for several additional months. My main communication is through the Approach outlined above. I plan on evoking to visible manifestation. A recent dream was a scroll with writing on it and a line thrust before me, which leads me to believe the demon wishes to make a long term pact with me. Should anyone wish to comment on my experiences, as briefly as I have stated them thus far and perhaps share any tips on evocation before I attempt? I'm especially interested in ImperialArts' view, respecting of course his appreciation for doing things by the book in his approach.

Greetings Leechmob!
Well....why ask for suggestions if you already know it all? No offense, please. You are in serious danger, IMHO, and you are courting disaster. This is merely my opinion. Please reconsider what appears to be suicidal attempts. I wish you well but cannot condone your actions due to my conscience and belief system...perhaps you will find someone here who will. Everything that I've seen and experienced in the past fifty years of practice tells me that your approach is suicide. I apologize for the dogmatic reaction. This will be my final posting on this thread. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/head_hurts_kr.gif)

NOTE: I lie...I did post again! 05/27/09

Which spirit?

Can you describe some of the things you have gained from the spirit, apart from communication with it?

If you were to make a "long-term" pact with this spirit, what sort of advantages and securities would you want that to include?

Unless I am mistaken, you are the one who decided what things to use in your approach. Has the spirit suggested anything further for you to do, or anything that you should not do?

Do you really want to have this demon as your god, or is this activity just a way to arrange for assistance from a spirit you believe to be powerful?

During the early contacts, I inquired to another demon from the Goetia about a matter and received an instant response that night in a dream, followed by another dream which was disturbing and made it appear that I had offended the demon I so honor by contacting another for advice instead of him.

And this didn't send up any kind of a red flag for you? Have you considered the possible consequences for the eventuality that you might want to at some point accomplish something outside the purview of this particular demon's influence?

I very rarely deal with demonic entities when it comes to evocation, but when I do, I somewhat sympathize with your attitude generally - while one must always make it clear who is in control, in my opinion, I see no reason to be belligerent with them, and usually burn herbs or incense of their preference for them, though more as an aid to getting what I want done.

Now, no offense to you and your approach, but a lot of people seem to think that just because an entity isn't giving you sores, causing horrible visions, manifesting poltergeist phenomenon, and harming your loved ones, they must not be such a bad entity. I've heard the argument before that demons only act out in proper evocation because of the process itself. But, consider the nature of the demon itself - a demon's nature is base and materialistic. It represents the bondage of the physical plane. It doesn't have to be mean to you to accomplish its purpose. Why are there no demons who's purview is to grant transcendental consciousness? Why is it that every demons who's purpose you read about is something like, "Grants treasure from far away" or "incites the love of men in women" or, "can furnish and army with weapons."

I'm not even going to suggest that a demon is intent on ruining you, possessing you or some such, because as long as you keep in line with it's materialistic nature I think you'll probably be fine. The problem is going to be when you want to, or are in a position to, start growing spiritually. The advice and guidance this being is going to give you will, by the definition of it's nature (it doesn't have a choice, and isn't going to give you special secrets because it likes you, any more than you can sprout wings and fly, or digest saw dust) steer you away from higher spiritual pursuits and towards an ultimately unfulfilling materialistic existence. And it's in the demon's best interest to keep you just on the edge of contentment. To take away bits of what you gain by yourself, and always give you not-quite-enough.

That's not even speculating on the karmic nature of pacts, and where you consciousness will go after you die. Bardon, for instance, believed that making a pact with a demon meant that upon death, before reincarnation, you work off your debt in their sphere of existence.

One may research serial killers until they are blue in the face, know all about their personality type, know what they are capable of, and then be taken in by the really clever, witty, understanding person they meet at a starbucks, who seems to be such a great listener, and who always knows just what to say - that is, until they take you home, strap you onto a table and do terrible things to you. Just because an entity puts on a pleasant show, does not mean it is good for you.

Just think about what a demon is, having done all your research, and what it means for you to interact with it in this way. These aren't just empty acts that mean nothing more than what you intend them to mean. All of this interaction is symbolic, and that symbolism may not seem to mean much physically, but what it means astrally, spiritually, is even more important due to it's more enduring and permanent nature. (more permanent than the physical, that is)

peace

This post has been edited by Vagrant Dreamer: Jan 6 2008, 02:58 PM

Hello Vagrant Dreamer,

I very rarely deal with demonic entities when it comes to evocation

Worth remembering, I think.

Why is it that every demons who's purpose you read about is something like, "Grants treasure from far away" or
"incites the love of men in women" or, "can furnish and army with weapons."

I'm curious why you chose to ignore the many Goetia spritis which can be used for things as teach effective
divination, moral, philosophy, languages, sciences etc, not to mention "things both Secret and Divine, and of
the Creation of the World".

Also see Michael Ford's writings, where is described how to use the Goetia spirits for HGA work. I don't use
his methods personally but he certainly has extensive experience with the spirits.

steer you away from higher spiritual pursuits and towards an ultimately unfulfilling materialistic existence.

Are you not confusing your own experiences in one "existence" with it being the one and only way of experiencing it?
There are many people who are very happy with life without going down any spiritual paths whatsoever.
There are unfortunately also many people who dedicate their lives to spiritual seekings and yet they seem very unhappy.

Personally, I want a nice material life, and a nice spiritual life as well. A balanced life, that is.

And it's in the demon's best interest to keep you just on the edge of contentment. To take away bits of what you gain
by yourself, and always give you not-quite-enough.

Now, that's a pretty interesting statement and I would say quite clever, if it is true.

Do you have any experiences pointing to this being the way of how Goetia spirits ALWAYS give results? That they never give the full results, only part of it? Some clear examples of experiences can be convincing enough, I'm not interested in any evidence (as I happen to believe that magick can never be proven in any way).

What does the rest of the Panel of this Forum think about the above quoted statement?

Grab

Also see Michael Ford's writings, where is described how to use the Goetia spirits for HGA work. I don't use
his methods personally but he certainly has extensive experience with the spirits.

Do you have any experiences pointing to this being the way of how Goetia spirits ALWAYS give results? That they never give the full results, only part of it?

I have Ford's "Liber HVHI" and his "Luciferian Witchcraft."

On one hand it is nice to see a hardcover occult book presenting itself as specifically for the misunderstood bad-guy who likes spooky tattoo art. On the other hand, a great deal of what he says is asinine. Who wants to invoke demons and chant "Fornicate for us!" at them? His books are very fun to own but I cannot take them, or him, very seriously.

I am reluctant to believe that any spirit is entirely benevolent towards humans. Maybe some of them are, but let them demonstrate it if so. In requesting any sort of supernatural services, it is more important to know (and want) what you are requesting than to fully understand the nature of the spirit. Make certain that, if fulfilled, your wishes would not lead to your disadvantage or despair.

The spirit is forbidden to interfere with your designs to foul up their working, or to keep them from completion as it is bound to "persist therein unto the end, according to (your) interest." If the spirit is not bound then it may choose to ignore the command or simply ignore the whole idea of completing its task to your satisfaction, which is why I advocate a complete traditional approach which accounts for these possibilities and makes the spirit liable for its negligence.