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Petrus
post Jan 16 2008, 02:52 PM
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So I've recently been reading Summoning Spirits. It's an interesting book, but something that struck me is that the rituals in it are as Jewish as the proverbial Bar Mitzvah.

This begs a couple of questions.

1) How do people who adhere to non-Abrahamic religions perform evocations?
2) Are these rituals intended to imply that Judaism genuinely is "the truth," in a supreme or objective sense, to a greater degree than that of other religious systems?


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post Jan 16 2008, 08:09 PM
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It is always amusing to see how people react when the discover that their search for the Ultimate Black Rituals of Demonology invariably entails calling upon God, angels, and even Jesus.

The theological background of the grimoires is one of the biggest stumbling-blocks for the would-be magician. Usually people find the names etc unacceptable and alter them, excise huge portions of the conjurations, and take out all reference to unwelcome mythological characters. The white robe becomes black, the sweet perfumes become charcoal briquettes and crack cocaine, and the magic circle becomes an imaginary formality. In short, the usual beginner will remove all the "magical" parts of the ritual and strip the whole thing down until it looks like something from a heavy metal album.

The person or people responsible for making the grimoires was (most likely) Jewish, maybe Christian or even Muslim. To these latter two, Jewish rituals are at least somewhat compatible. Now we have a wider field of comparative mythology, and a lot of imaginative scientific thought from which to work out the details of our magical systems, but for the past several thousand years, gods and spirits were about all they knew, and the God of Abraham was the one these writers knew best.

When you have the leverage to declare that all the gods of those other people must submit to service, lest you slay all their devotees and trample their shrines into dust, you can decide what names those gods must obey. Solomon, to whom most of these popular western rituals are attributed, supposedly had that sort of power and bound the spirits under the names of his own god. I am not familiar with the details of non-western evocations, but they do exist and you can probably find information as easily as you can find the Grimoire of Honorius.


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Petrus   Evocation For Non-christians   Jan 16 2008, 02:52 PM
Vagrant Dreamer   So I've recently been reading Summoning Spirit...   Jan 16 2008, 06:12 PM
Mr. Curi   I suggest that you discover FIRST 'who' it...   Jan 16 2008, 06:59 PM
Vagrant Dreamer   Mr. Curi, Having read Lisiewiski's book, Cerem...   Jan 16 2008, 09:33 PM
Mr. Curi   I have neither ignored nor misunderstood a single ...   Jan 17 2008, 04:15 PM
Vagrant Dreamer   I think you have misunderstood what he meant by th...   Jan 17 2008, 11:34 PM
Mr. Curi   If Lisiewski's book does not cover an 'adv...   Jan 18 2008, 01:19 PM
Petrus   I suggest that you discover FIRST 'who' it...   Jan 19 2008, 06:39 PM
loki   If you don't have these already,you might want...   Jan 19 2008, 07:21 PM
Petrus   If you don't have these already,you might want...   Jan 19 2008, 10:10 PM
rif   So, I suggest looking into Hermetic Magick. Start ...   Apr 6 2008, 05:51 PM
altpath   Work with the grimoires as best as you can, as muc...   Jan 16 2008, 08:24 PM
altpath   Mr. Curi, I'm sure that everyone here would a...   Jan 17 2008, 05:22 PM
Mr. Curi   Yes, sorry I meant to edit that. I too like the v...   Jan 17 2008, 06:04 PM
Hideout   So I've recently been reading Summoning Spirit...   Jan 18 2008, 01:07 PM
bym   This is turning into a squabble. On one hand I hav...   Jan 18 2008, 09:24 PM
altpath   can we hear from those that have tried non-traditi...   Jan 18 2008, 09:49 PM
Hermetic Angel   From my experience I have found that although we c...   Apr 5 2008, 03:11 AM
altpath   Therefore i see no reason was a Pagan should have ...   Apr 5 2008, 11:19 AM
alkeides   The roots of much of Judaeo-Christian rituals were...   Nov 26 2009, 10:32 AM
Kath   nice post alkeides :) I practice evocation in a d...   Nov 27 2009, 11:17 AM
Ethereal Sight   So I've recently been reading Summoning Spiri...   Mar 17 2010, 09:55 AM
Praxis   I use my own system for summoning/banishing and ev...   Nov 11 2011, 09:12 PM

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