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Petrus
post Jan 16 2008, 02:52 PM
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So I've recently been reading Summoning Spirits. It's an interesting book, but something that struck me is that the rituals in it are as Jewish as the proverbial Bar Mitzvah.

This begs a couple of questions.

1) How do people who adhere to non-Abrahamic religions perform evocations?
2) Are these rituals intended to imply that Judaism genuinely is "the truth," in a supreme or objective sense, to a greater degree than that of other religious systems?


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post Jan 18 2008, 09:24 PM
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This is turning into a squabble. On one hand I have a person of regimental modes of approach that will not listen because he is too busy telling us that there is only one way to do things and I have on the other hand a person who is trying to convert a brick. You both have valid points but, I must confess, that the brick has not accepted the mortar.

Most of the Grimoires dating between 1000AD and 2007 AD are very distorted texts from their original forms. Beneath those pages exist a surviving philosophy that empowers Western Magic as we have come to know it. If we wish to perform evocation using the Grimoires as a template it behooves us to try the recipe first before we adapt it. This needn't be a hard rule but one that is suggested. If a new student wishes to perform Magic as they see fit, then they also accept the possibility of failure. BTW...Solomonic texts have disagreed with their various forms constantly. Some insist that a crystal be used for the evocation whilst others insist that a brazen plaque/vessel be used, others insist upon a Triangle and some don't use anything at all! They all work. They...all...work! Which leads to any number of interesting ideas. Solomon would have got nowhere without a particular Ring given to him by a spiritual entity. Matter of fact, he was damned lucky that this happened. He didn't have the luxury of reading an occult tome that told him to do things just so. And...his religous proclivities left much to be desired when viewed by the local priests. He was a damn poor magician.

Enough! This squabble is now ended. All here are commended for their viewpoints. NOW, can we hear from those that have tried non-traditional (other than the Xtian/Judaic) methods of evocation? Let us stray from the aforementioned Grimoires and Mr. Abano's Heptameron. Perhaps a discourse on the Djinn which has been making a comeback? What say you gentlemen/women/neuters? Does evocation require a divinity to be performed accurately? Inquiring minds would love to know! Keep a happy thought! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/horse.gif)


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QUOTE(bym @ Jan 18 2008, 11:24 PM) *
can we hear from those that have tried non-traditional (other than the Xtian/Judaic) methods of evocation? Let us stray from the aforementioned Grimoires and Mr. Abano's Heptameron. Perhaps a discourse on the Djinn which has been making a comeback? What say you gentlemen/women/neuters? Does evocation require a divinity to be performed accurately? Inquiring minds would love to know! Keep a happy thought! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/horse.gif)


I can't say I have any experience with the traditional djinn, then again there are many who believe the goetia spirits are djinn. I've never asked them, but if they are, well there you have it.

I don't ever really call on a divinity to help me to bring the presence of the daemons. I don't force them to show up, or force them to bring results. They simply do, which is great for me, and anybody I do workings for.

I do work with at least one godform on a regular basis nowadays for protection, but that's actually more for my mundane life (which is somewhat dangerous for a couple reasons) than for magical protection. Not that I can't count on my friends for protection from spiritual attacks, but it's less likely I be attacked by other magicians than it is for me to get mugged or attacked by some local nut.

I also think that most people don't put enough emphasis on working relationships with the HGA, not just for spiritual elevation, but for actual mundane work. The HGA is always there ready to hear us, but we usually don't listen. We sometimes don't want to listen. That's the biggest mistake we can make in our lives, IMHO.

Anyway, I'm rambling. My advice to anyone that wants to read it, speak to the daemons and angels and gods, ask them for teachings. Ask them advice daily, and find your HGA. That's all that is needed for the non-religious practitioner (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


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Petrus   Evocation For Non-christians   Jan 16 2008, 02:52 PM
Vagrant Dreamer   So I've recently been reading Summoning Spirit...   Jan 16 2008, 06:12 PM
Mr. Curi   I suggest that you discover FIRST 'who' it...   Jan 16 2008, 06:59 PM
Vagrant Dreamer   Mr. Curi, Having read Lisiewiski's book, Cerem...   Jan 16 2008, 09:33 PM
Mr. Curi   I have neither ignored nor misunderstood a single ...   Jan 17 2008, 04:15 PM
Vagrant Dreamer   I think you have misunderstood what he meant by th...   Jan 17 2008, 11:34 PM
Mr. Curi   If Lisiewski's book does not cover an 'adv...   Jan 18 2008, 01:19 PM
Petrus   I suggest that you discover FIRST 'who' it...   Jan 19 2008, 06:39 PM
loki   If you don't have these already,you might want...   Jan 19 2008, 07:21 PM
Petrus   If you don't have these already,you might want...   Jan 19 2008, 10:10 PM
rif   So, I suggest looking into Hermetic Magick. Start ...   Apr 6 2008, 05:51 PM
Imperial Arts   It is always amusing to see how people react when ...   Jan 16 2008, 08:09 PM
altpath   Work with the grimoires as best as you can, as muc...   Jan 16 2008, 08:24 PM
altpath   Mr. Curi, I'm sure that everyone here would a...   Jan 17 2008, 05:22 PM
Mr. Curi   Yes, sorry I meant to edit that. I too like the v...   Jan 17 2008, 06:04 PM
Hideout   So I've recently been reading Summoning Spirit...   Jan 18 2008, 01:07 PM
Hermetic Angel   From my experience I have found that although we c...   Apr 5 2008, 03:11 AM
altpath   Therefore i see no reason was a Pagan should have ...   Apr 5 2008, 11:19 AM
alkeides   The roots of much of Judaeo-Christian rituals were...   Nov 26 2009, 10:32 AM
Kath   nice post alkeides :) I practice evocation in a d...   Nov 27 2009, 11:17 AM
Ethereal Sight   So I've recently been reading Summoning Spiri...   Mar 17 2010, 09:55 AM
Praxis   I use my own system for summoning/banishing and ev...   Nov 11 2011, 09:12 PM

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