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post Jan 19 2008, 08:03 PM
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i um... i believe that the world is um perfect. i think that there is nothing wrong with anything because well, everything happens for a reason and well... its like a really cool way of fitting the peices together. like um have you ever seen um final destination. okay i know its stupid but like have you becuase that way they day the design and stuff is like how life works and stuff. um but um i think that this is how life works and makes our lives perfect but um i dont think we need to understand anything. i um think that we need to just live and enjoy life. i think... um never mind bye


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post Jan 21 2008, 11:52 PM
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okay but let me um put in this... it is our perception. why is it some rich people are miserable while poors are full of joy. its you. i am perfect. you are perfect. even if you dont see it. so what im shy. so what no one listens usually to me. the fact that i see myself as perfect means i am. the reason you think everything is imperfect is its direct reflection on you your perspective on your life. in other words. if you see it it is true. hence everyone is right and wrong. i dont believe in the grand scheme of things but i do believe in life. i beleive so many live in this world without living and only realize to soon to their demise. in other word... life is what you make it and life is perfect. so is all in and out of it. everything runs on the core root of this one thing... life. life runs on life. death runs on life. knowledge... everything. and if you ask me to explain what life is i wont. even if i knew the complete answer i wouldnt because... life is different for EVERYONE. it is what it is and will always be. what we call will could just be simply the individual. what we call law could just be what we want to be right, chaos... the things not understood. why then must we understand all. what makes the quest for knowledge, power, and supremeness so eminent in all man. why not live. why stretch to understand. i believe we understand naturally and when we try to understand these things we already understand and put them in a definite explination that's when we screw ourselves over. in other words... i believe if we just experience and live we will see everything. to take a phrase from a disney movie:

we will paint with all the colors of the wind

You can own the Earth and still
All you'll own is Earth until
You can paint with all the colors of the wind


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post Jan 22 2008, 01:19 AM
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I think this is perhaps one of the most misconstrued beliefs of the eastern traditions. The idea of perfection of everything 'as is' and the relationship between perception and perfection. The Taoist tradition in particular has led many westerners to come to this conclusion.

What it sounds like you are talking about is acceptance, and it's an important thing. But perfection is something that comes after one can look objectively at him/herself, and the world around them, and say "There is a reason it is this way, the order of the universe is perfect." However, material things - people, animals, plants, the cosmos - is imperfect by it's nature. It is far removed from the origin of all things - God, the negative space, the Source, whatever - and the process of perfection is the process of coming back into perfect union with that Source.

If you believe that you are perfect as you are, you will stop progressing. If you are perfect now, what happens when you begin to change? Are you more perfect? Were you less perfect before? The Path may be perfect, and your movement in the world may be perfect, but the object itself, the being, is perfected by that path. We don't start out perfect, nothing does.

To say that, "Everything is perfect as it is, because that's how it was intended to be," implies that the Source manifested a perfect existence. Accepting that you are not perfect, gives you a point of reference, and a direction to strive for. The problem with many people in the world is that they already believe they are perfect, therefore they continue to be and act as they are now, when in reality that are not perfect at all, and even less so for believing they are.

Certainly look at yourself as you are, accept all of it, and say, "This is who I am now, this is where I am now, and it's okay." Because it is - we all grow and change, and that process begins when we accept our good and our bad for what it is - our situation in life can only change by accepting it as it is in the present.

Does that mean we should seek perfection specifically? No, it means that we accept that our spiritual path, our karma, is divinely ordained and perfect, and we face it knowing that our path is more perfect than ourselves, and that the Divine is the only true perfection. Then, we become perfected by surrendering to our path, and to the Divine Source which put us on it.

If you are perfect, what meaning is there to life? If the world is perfect, what meaning is there to the world? If material things are perfect, what else is there to gain from existence? Being perfect 'as you are' or 'in this moment' is but an aspect of the perfection of the Path and Divine Will - to confuse it with all things being perfect entirely, will lead to stagnation. It would be less confusing to say "You are where you are supposed to be, you are who you are supposed to be." You are supposed to be imperfect. You might say you are 'Perfectly Imperfect' but that implies, psychologically, that you should remain imperfect. You should not.

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balancedmagi   Ummm... Hi, These Are Um My Ideas Dont Laugh Please.   Jan 19 2008, 08:03 PM
jlx   i um... i believe that the world is um perfect. i ...   Jan 20 2008, 10:24 AM
al_zaine   Not one being made life and has no right to change...   Jan 21 2008, 10:23 AM
Uni_Verse   At this moment, everything looks perfect. I have ...   Jan 22 2008, 11:10 AM
balancedmagi   um vagrant you have points but the thing i mostly ...   Jan 22 2008, 06:32 PM
Acid09   I think the over tone of the question touches on t...   Jan 23 2008, 06:33 PM
valkyrie   hey! the word "perfect" can imply a ...   Jan 23 2008, 10:02 PM
al_zaine   I think the over tone of the question touches on t...   Jan 24 2008, 06:48 PM
balancedmagi   wow... i must say... al_zaine you are really cool....   Jan 30 2008, 11:36 PM
plainsight   Everything that is, is as it should be.   Feb 14 2008, 06:50 PM
Goibniu   I had a satori experience a few years ago. In oth...   Feb 14 2008, 11:26 PM
al_zaine   A baby is born blind, some will see it as a hindra...   Feb 5 2009, 06:38 PM
Acid09   I think it comes down to what does it mean to be p...   Feb 5 2009, 08:10 PM
al_zaine   Theres a few thing toiling away in my mind about t...   Feb 5 2009, 10:24 PM
locust   Wat is perfection anyway? I think its a feeling, i...   Jul 25 2009, 08:04 PM

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