Ummm... Hi, These Are Um My Ideas Dont Laugh Please. Options

i um... i believe that the world is um perfect. i think that there is nothing wrong with anything because well, everything happens for a reason and well... its like a really cool way of fitting the peices together. like um have you ever seen um final destination. okay i know its stupid but like have you becuase that way they day the design and stuff is like how life works and stuff. um but um i think that this is how life works and makes our lives perfect but um i dont think we need to understand anything. i um think that we need to just live and enjoy life. i think... um never mind bye

I think the over tone of the question touches on the greater philosophical view that all that has, is and ever will exist already has existed and that we as conscious beings are merely observing the unfolding of reality. We're just alone for the ride in other words. In a sense it means predestination. Everything is already set in motion. It doesn't matter if there is a purpose to it, nor rhyme or reason, it just is. In that sense individual perfection is pointless and immaterial, because it not the single sub-atomic particals that make up a molecule, rather the culmination of all particles, weather infanitely small or vast that create perfection. Under this model, pain and pleasure do not matter. They are merely our interpretation of stimuli as the universe unravels itself, with no function greater than that. In short, we and everything are all perfect, not because we individually are just mgaickally so, but because we are a part of the greater universal structure that is perfection in all its glory.

The flaw in the philosophy is free will. If we truely have free will and we already know that we are as perfect as we're going to be, then why continue? Yet even this very conflict undermines the fact that everything that has happened, is happening and will happen, already has we're just observing it from a single point in time/space. Thus is you say 'hey I'm as a perfect as I'm going to get I'll just lay down and die", then it was already meant to happen. Under this paradigm there is no mundane escape from predistination, at least not one I can think of. "Escape" requires one to totally trancend reality entirely; to become seperate, and yet just as eternal as the universe itself. In that sense one would have achieved individual perfection as they themselves would become essentially as Gods, infanitly small and equally vast. Sadly, even this is still a part of predestination. If you were meant to trancend reality, then you already have and if you haven't yet, then you are just not on the correct point in time/space. Essentially, under this model, there is no free will, everything a person is, was or will be, every thought, every atom they contacted, created or destroyed, has on some level, already occured and hence the universe as a whole is perfect.

hey! the word "perfect" can imply a couple different things. It can be a personal expression of what a person wants to become, it can be a point of acceptance, it can imply the ultimate Fate (that is ehem, we are all designated our own 'perfect' niche in the system) but what else can it imply? I can recall at least one thread that i ended up discussing the idea of becoming a "paragon" as the main reason why we might choose to reincarnate, or evolve spiritually (yes, transcendence is the word of the day!). That is why Christ is such a powerful symbol. As is Buddha. But is this need truly a driving force behind totally embracing the Source?
Essentially, that is what i feel you are doing in your own way. I see that you no longer feel the need to become a paragon, rather that you ARE one as is everyone. Now the thing that you must strive for is complete faith in your theory for you are still a seperate entity from Everything else, and in this way Perfection is not complete, and cannot be fully experienced.
Some might argue that perfection cannot be incomplete, but only human perfection denotes that we are complete as we are now, and that there can be only one dimension of perfection. But Perfection takes many forms, and therefore if one of these is ignored, it is lacking.
As i understand, this is a question of perception, and therefore Perfection must be perceived and experienced at all levels...and as you are now, you are only as perfect as you settle for...you are only as perfect as you demonstrate. You are only as perfect as You resolve to be.

This post has been edited by valkyrie: Jan 23 2008, 10:35 PM