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post Dec 9 2007, 02:23 AM
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i am at a point where i could probaly perform an evocation now. But i do not really see any need to, i have more reason to use my time performing yoga or something else very white. I would really like to know what you guys perform so it can spark some reason why i would use it

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post Feb 4 2008, 04:33 AM
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I was reading Steve Savedows book of late and in it he mentions that the Goetia do not have the control over finances and monetary wealth like they used to .. This was Interesting with the worlds market and equity being more liquid and controlled I can see his point but they still have the ability to control or influence people and in that you can still gain an extremely good foothold in business.. Its been concerning me lately on some other forums with newbs all wanting to evoke the spirits for mundane poo like getting laid and becoming wealthy. I would think it would be more impressive and wise to use them to make you likeable and esteemed in the company of your enemies than to smite them .. Or to make you confident dashing and charming than to get you a sleazy one night stand.. Or to help you progress your business ventures instead of killing pappi off so you can get his inheritence in fast cash. what are your thoughts ?


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post Feb 4 2008, 11:36 PM
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Somewhere, Fortean Times IIRC, I saw an article about a jungle-dwelling native chieftain, otherwise living out a neolithic lifestyle, ruling his tribe from the overgrown seat of a convertible car. The tribe was of course awestruck by the bizarre majesty of this metal object and their fearless leader sitting right in it, and he was undoubtedly proud of his prize. The "modern" magician is usually comparable to this tropical chieftain, and magic to his car: it plays a valuable role for him, but in its originally-intended environment the vehicle would have a greater opportunity to fulfill its purpose.

The reputed occult masters of all ages have always appeared in the highest social standing: the finest scholars, the wisest sages, thinkers, philosophers, physicians, and people in positions of power. By this I mean specifically the sorts of magic requiring an education, as opposed to witches and assorted hedge-wizards who obtain their inspiration outside of occult lore. During the last century, all of this changed and magic is now stocked between "Dealing with Grief" and Deepak Chopra.

I think this change is for the better, and engineered by a positive interest, but overall my impression is that magic has suffered and its practicioners have gained little. I have known quite a few magicians to whom I would gladly give respect, but by and large they are all poor and insignificant despite great learning, many talents, charisma, and admirable magical devotion. The very few exceptions have gained through means other than those directly stemming from magical objectives. When asked "Hey pal, why not use this occult stuff to make your life improve in a definitive way?" their excuses tend to revolve around some unspecified spiritual virtue. I would not say that wealth and power are inherent signs of success in magic, but huge demanding and inescapable problems are certainly a mark a failure.

No matter how popular "Serpents Occult Books" becomes, it will probably never dump millions of dollars into Savedow's lap. Maybe he is satisfied with a successful small business. Very likely the same store will not bring him close ties with influential people, but perhaps he is satisfied with regular customers and stable personal relationships. These are not goals that degrade magical practice, but they are also a far cry from the impressive promises of tempests, treasure, and tyranny in nearly all ancient works of magic. I disagree with Savedow in that I have found Goetia to be perfectly capable in matters of finance, business, labor, and even treasure-finding, though Savedow also recommends many modifications of the Goetia ritual and perhaps his shortcomings are reflected by his results.

It was initially my wife who encouraged me to apply magic toward something more ambitious, on the grounds that the magical texts were made for nobility and served the purposes of nobility. The ordinary person does not require the services of armed men, towers, knowledge of gems, or many other things offered by occult lore, but the spells are available all the same. Every magician will make a self-evaluation at some point and determine which things he or she wants or does not want. I wanted the towers and the rest, being more than done with casting love and fortune spells at the behest of others.

It is important to avoid dismissing a proposed effect from a magical text as allegorical without having some practical experience upon which to base the interpretation. Contrary to what Crowley says, spirits who profess the power to destroy your enemies do not merely elevate your consciousness beyond a state of enmity! My work thus far with the spirits has been heavily focused on finding out just what the spirits can and cannot do, and detemining which of the powers are most useful and reliable in a detailed way. I hope that this will be useful to the future magicians who wish to make a more careful decision about which spirits to call for which purposes, but for me it has been a wild ride from absolutely nothing to my present condition (which is very good) and I have learned a great deal about what can be done through magical conjurations.


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