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Ito
post Feb 6 2008, 04:39 AM
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"When the pupil is ready a teacher appears", this quote has been said so many times that I can't even count
The point is that actually I'm at a point where many persons came to me asking me to be teached in magick
Well personnally I don't mind but why are all these guys so venal? I mean, there is nothing wrong with wanting to get powers
To converse with beings from other dimensions (from spirits to elementals) but It seems that they just do not understand that there is a little bit more behind the works. Am I somekind of a idealist thinking that the main aim for magicians is to search higher truths?
Is this stupid to think that magick is much more about expanding consciousness, that occult powers are onely a side effect that sould not distract from our personnal questing?
I mean I once found a web site where they told me I would be allmighty, it was the soul hunting site and the understandings I found during this periode are so different from what I percieve in most of members of the community as if they thought that magick is just about selling goodies
Sorry if I seem so desperate, I'm certainly not an (IMG:style_emoticons/default/angel.gif) but MAN if I only deserve that kind of pupils, I think I'm gonna change country for real!

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post Feb 20 2008, 09:12 AM
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Ok since there are no answers I'd like to add a few things
The more I practice magick, the more I learn and understand I become able to develop my own way of teaching
So now that I've explained that I'll continue about teaching
Magick is not a course in the classical way
Through my experience I've understood that it's onely about giving the answers the pupil needs
If this makes him a sorceror so let it be Trought conversations with beings I've understood that even in magick whe are still humans
We still have free choice of belief and it necessitates much more then a little curse on someone to become truly lef hand path
It's not because you performed one exorcisme or reiki energy transfer to be right hand path
Lif is much more complicated and even a saint may commit mistakes, because sainty is not a title but a state of mind and a way of living
It's a quest like evrything
When I've met right hand path students my first thought was that they weren't that good
Now that left hand path students come to me they're not that bad
I think that I've been at first shocked by meeting persons who already know what they want as if macrokynesis could be masterized in two minutes
Left hand students seemed in another philosphical state and much more realistic: "I want to beem the evil eye one my neighbour"
But for me it's only another aspect of the same spirituality,

My decision: intiating them to kabalah in order to masterize merkebah for the beginning
If they understand the basis of how the creation works, or onely seek to make their life easier, for me it's fine but I wont teach them the stuff they could se against me. After all, on day or the other the disciple will be stronger then the master

Left hand thought: I'll lose control and superiority among them

Right hand thought: They'll help me to evolve and to understand things

The thing is that even if you're from a well defined tradition, this doesn't mean that the pupils will all so be from the same thing

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post Feb 23 2008, 08:38 PM
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QUOTE(Ito @ Feb 20 2008, 10:12 AM) *
Magick is not a course in the classical way
Through my experience I've understood that it's onely about giving the answers the pupil needs


I disagree with this, as it comes from equating magick with spirituality. Related they are, but not the same thing.

Spirituality is a process of growth, renewal, understanding, and change. Magick is a science based on principles that can be taught, in a proper sequence, with various degrees of 'attainment' as it were which can be used to measure a student's growth. Whether a student should be taught in the first place begs questioning, of course, and it is fine to give a student a run in spirituality before explaining magickal principles, but giving only the answers you think the student needs is disregarding the structure of magickal practice. A student may not know to ask the right questions.

While there are many forms of magick - witchcraft, ceremonial magic, energy work, various levels of psychism, chaos magick, etc. - all of them function on the same principles applied in different ways. That underlying structure is the important part to teach, the tradition itself is just the means of applying the laws of magick to effect.

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post Feb 25 2008, 05:18 AM
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QUOTE(Vagrant Dreamer @ Feb 24 2008, 02:38 AM) *
Spirituality is a process of growth, renewal, understanding, and change. Magick is a science based on principles that can be taught, in a proper sequence, with various degrees of 'attainment' as it were which can be used to measure a student's growth. Whether a student should be taught in the first place begs questioning, of course, and it is fine to give a student a run in spirituality before explaining magickal principles, but giving only the answers you think the student needs is disregarding the structure of magickal practice. A student may not know to ask the right questions.


As you said there are many practices and every form has it's own principles
Trought experience I've understood that many beliefs are the same and that you find many short cuts but in french whe say that "science sans conscience n'est que ruine de l'âme"
This means that knowlegde without a clear perception of reality onely leads to disasters
I think that from the moment you assume the reponsability to give hints (besause there is not such thing like mathematical certitudes in this field) about how the world is you must be sure he person will be able to use it right

For example, and this is a real case, a beginner started with talisman making and used a design and followed the rules described on a web site
Instead of a good luck talisman this became a posession talisman. How do I know it? Becaus when I used a l'doun jinx remover the talisman disappeared from his place to appaer in the l'doune!

So now you may think I'm wrong, I accept that you're opinion is different from mine but I am, was and will be absolutely positive that if someone wants to progress he's got to have a minimum of knowledge, has got to study a minimum and be open to foreign cultures and practices

And personnaly If anyone is able to coerce a jinn, to make a talisman or to focus without any practice of meditation or true will then let me know cause for the moment this would astound me for real

Finally those guys don't have to follow my advices but I've been practicing magick for eight years now and I've tried many things out and my personnal belief is to be prepared before any attempt to influence the elements or to use a spirit of any sort. Magick is just like a martial art : "you should be really good in defence and know how to fall without getting hurted before getting involved in a fight". And kabalistic exercices of inhaling energy is good for two things visualisation, focus and balancing energies. If you do not think that this is a good idea then what?

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