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post Mar 11 2008, 11:37 PM
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So, lately I have been changing the way that I pray, according to the program, which I've been rather verbose about lately, namely Lisiewski books and attendant material. This has given me some difficulty, because I am not used to praying as he suggests - particularly speaking, out-loud. My periods of prayer in the past have been more contemplative, considering and turning my attention to the qualities of the Divine, seeking out in my own experience and sensibility, the expressions of the Divine around me, and expressing in a purely emotional manner my feelings for that Divinity.

When I perform various ritual prayers, either written by myself or drawn from the Psalms, Dr. Dee's prayers, Thelemic orations, etc., I don't feel any kind of exaltation during the prayer itself - with very few exceptions. It makes me wonder, am I praying wrong, or am I just used to praying a different way. Moreover, is my previous method of prayer - this somewhat direct internalized approach - somehow less effective, or effective in a different way?

Now, I have developed a strong connection to my experience of God through my own version of prayer. I want to try and develope this other practice because I want to know if there is a difference experientially. For those that have been praying this way for a long time, is it something that developed for you after a while? What does it mean to 'enflame thyself with prayer'? It is experientially different than the feelings and experience I have when praying 'directly' as I am used to? (more a question for myself there). In these spoken prayers, I'm seeing examples that involve asking for wisdom, forgiveness, guidance, etc. In my own version, I'm used to simply focusing on the immense presence, power, and glory of the Divine experience and expression, rather than asking for anything. Thus far, those things seem to deliver themselves as I need them - even to the point that by the time I got frustrated with my current level of magical development, I was introduced to Lisiewski's work, which has helped me progress. Other examples are scattered throughout my life. Not that I think it's wrong to ask the Divine for such things, but this sudden focus on doing that as a regular practice is kind of putting me off on some level.

Any suggestions, thoughts, or experiences to share with prayer in general, regardless of tradition, and how one involves themselves in it? In addition to the questions given above, for consideration and discussion?

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post Mar 20 2008, 09:33 PM
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To me, prayer is a direct conversation with God. So it seems wierd to use scripted dialouges to speak to God. I'm having a direct conversation with him. I'm just giong to speak my mind and then he's going to give me love. Love is what's best for me. When one prays, one should always expect what is best for them in that subject matter to be the reply. Sometimes what's best is nothing at all.

I feel as if God cares about all areas of our life. And the thing is, I believe God has shown me this. For at first you're like, "i'm not going to ask God for this, it's God." But he has really shown me that even the most small embarrassing areas of your life he really really cares about.

So I say continue with your old way of just talking to him, but at the same time implement some of the new.

Since prayer is a direct conversation with God, you have to realize that God just wants to hear what you have to say.So say it as you say, as the person you are, and not as someone else.

That's just my suggestion.


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