Regarding Matters Of Ceremonial Magic/kabbalah, Ceremonial Magic Response to Question Options

The following is an email I received from a gentleman in this forum. I decided to place it in the "Fight Club" after being advised to do so by a Moderator and so here it is.

Yes, what works magically for me can, and will work for everyone else. That is just the way it is and simply cannot be argued. You are dealing with laws here, just like gravity as I have explained before in my other posts. If you take the research findings and apply them yourself, you will see that what I am saying is universal and true! In other words, no matter where you are in the world there is a gravitational pull, and if an item is dropped it will fall.

Why in heaven's name would you think saying that a failed evocation to physical manifestation will cause slingshot effects is pompous of me to say? That's just the way it is, son, and you may still need to experience this terrible reality to come to your senses, and I don't mean this to be rude.

What I write on these forums is what I have experienced by putting into effect Dr. Lisiewski's good advice--this is what I have 'come up' with on my own. I also suggest that the post readers come to know this method of Magic and get rid of the New Age trash that plagues most on this forum (and many times, through no fault of their own).

I cannot be certain, but it is likely your proper state of subjective synthesis was not attained while learning and then using the Kabbalistic Cycles. This technique takes years to learn because of all the books one needs to read to become acquainted with the information that is recommended in the book.

Yes, Old System Magic is dangerous, but one has more of a chance of eliminating the negative factors if it is practiced correctly. However, the improper use of an evocation proper can and will lead you to a world of trouble (remember, the slingshot effects can come and hit you at the worst possible time too). There is a common misconception that it hits you immediately, but I have found that this is not necessarily true. It waits to get you.

The highest and best way to perform an evocation is in the way I speak. There is no point in arguing about it. This is not an issue of 'my ritual is better than your ritual.' Rather, this is an issue of "WHAT WORKS VERSUS WHAT DOESN'T!!" I hope I made that crystal clear to you, because I will NOT explain it again to you.

I am giving you 'advice' but I am not telling you how to 'run your life.' Go and seek advice from the disgruntled individuals who have nothing upon which to hang their hats because of their "sucessess." Do what you want, and as I always write to my New Agers, ALL "power" TO YOU!!!!

You think Dr. Lisiewski is a "quack on crack?" You know not of what you speak and thus are misinformed. I look forward to reading the new university texts he is writing for physics, engineering and science, which, by the way, must go through an extensive process of review. Oh and by the way, it will say Dr. Lisiewski Ph.D.

You have a nice day too.

Mr. Curi

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It should be of little effort to reveal the credentials (academic and professional) of anybody who uses PhD. to their title. If nothing else, it is a matter of honor and to ones hard work! (Hyatts past, btw, is very similar to LaVeys upon closer inspection and it is of interesting note within societal types that alot of us older magical types look very similar to one another! (Suggesting some sort of commonality at work) LOL! I'm very close to a friend in the field of Molecular Bio-physics (at NYU) who, having a doctorate in that field, has absolutely no trouble (or hesitancy) to supply information regarding his academia...something that he is very proud of and though not flag waving is happy to supply the necessary facts when asked. He and I have lengthy discussions concerning the existance and interaction with spiritual entities. In my ramble, I've lost the specific point made here other than to drive home the point that one should, upon entering a public venue, not hesitate to disclose verification of past merits or accolades academic when asked. Otherwise it could be construed as having something to hide. As far as money goes...that is a personal issue. IMHO I don't charge for my opinions or theories. Bad Karma. LOL! But then, that's just me! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/horse.gif)