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telempath
post Nov 20 2007, 01:45 AM
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Do you think psychokinetic gifts are rare and why (either yay or nay)? It seems like everyone has sensory gifts out of the wazoo, but it seems as if it is rare for people to have psychokinetic abilities.

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post Apr 1 2008, 03:35 AM
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I think all abillities, psychic or otherwise are something that anyone can perform. To a certain extent(!) of course. My opinion only but still. Ive noticed that with the right technique and set of beliefs and conditions etc.. anyone can do pretty much anything, if only a little. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Anyhow, when it comes to spontenious bursts of energy. Items can be moved or wierd things can happan in the phisical realm. It does not mean people suddenly posess powers that come out of nowhere and know how to use them. When people go through extreme emotional states or change energeticaly they vibrate in a very high concentrated state of energy. That energy can bump into things which are phisical and accidentaly move them. On the other hand it can mess electirical systems and even effect flame or any other element. So its really not a big deal, and on the other hand not an indication of a "gift".

I personaly do not believe in "gifts". We live in a world in which you either know how something works and have enough power to influance it(which you build over time together with expirience) or you dont. No one has "special" abillities that they can instinctively use out of the bloom without knowing anything of the process. That usualy happans on tv, because otherwise we would be very old before the main character figures out the flow of the universe and how to interact with it to do various super-natural fits.

Again, just my opinion.

I may sound a bit harsh saying this. But reading such things is like a slap on the face to people who work hard and get real results. When I mean "real" Im talking about results which they can repeat whenever they like and are in control of whatever is happaning.

I do not mean to offend anyone. I just see this in a lot of forums. Its great to believe that you are "naturaly" granted with some kind of power or something else along those lines, but "gifts" and "abilities" require effort and expirience. Otherwise they are wasted. so you may start out with a high energetic potential or a very developed this or that, but unless you learn how to work it better, its not much of anything.

*hides after writing all that and waits for the rocks to be thrown at the words of harassy* (IMG:style_emoticons/default/13.gif)

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post Apr 10 2008, 09:25 PM
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QUOTE(Shimi @ Apr 1 2008, 04:35 AM) *
I personaly do not believe in "gifts". We live in a world in which you either know how something works and have enough power to influance it(which you build over time together with expirience) or you dont. No one has "special" abillities that they can instinctively use out of the bloom without knowing anything of the process. That usualy happans on tv, because otherwise we would be very old before the main character figures out the flow of the universe and how to interact with it to do various super-natural fits.

Again, just my opinion.

I may sound a bit harsh saying this. But reading such things is like a slap on the face to people who work hard and get real results. When I mean "real" Im talking about results which they can repeat whenever they like and are in control of whatever is happaning.

I do not mean to offend anyone. I just see this in a lot of forums. Its great to believe that you are "naturaly" granted with some kind of power or something else along those lines, but "gifts" and "abilities" require effort and expirience. Otherwise they are wasted. so you may start out with a high energetic potential or a very developed this or that, but unless you learn how to work it better, its not much of anything.

You are able to move your legs without knowledge of the complex interactions of tendons, neurological impulses, skeletal movement, etc. You can move various parts of your body without being knowledge in how or why it does it. The idea that "everyone" has something or that "everyone" is equal is completely unrealistic. You have people who practice something for years (metaphysical or not) and get minimal results, whereas you get someone who is naturally gifted in that area and excels. Then you have people who practice for years and excel further than those who are naturally gifted in any area. In my experience, personally, I did have "special abilities" that I can use out of the bloom. Now that I am older, I understand their dynamics, but as a young child I simply knew that I could feel the world around me and that I could reach out naturally and connect with something in the environment. It was as natural as reaching out and picking an apple off of a tree. You are right, everyone is capable of performing psi to a certain extent (due to the dynamics of consiousness and all that good stuff), however, the scope and intensity is limited by that person's own personal capacity. Take people who are your gut intuitives and then take your people who are full blown precognitive that see multiple future pathways. Same gift different gap in intensity and power. Take a person who was naturally born with the ability to see multiple pathways. They had this skill their entire life. It is as natural as sight to them. Take any other psi or psionic ability, including psychokinesis, and you will get the same result.

If you aren't naturally good at it, yes it takes alot of work and sweat, but for people who are already on the level that you are working towards, it is not a big thing. It is unrealistic to say that everyone has the same capacity or that you can be as good as someone else by work, I mean that in all areas of life. Some people are richer than other's, some are born, smarter, some more fit, some more attractive, etc. No matter how much work you do, it may not be enough to close that gap in power in any area of life. Some people are just born with things going for them. So, yes, there are people gifted with "special" abilities (I am defining ability as an extraordinary talent in an area). I disagree with you on the point of learning how to work with them, though. What a person chooses to do with their gifts is their concern. I have actually had people tell me that I am wasting my potential due to my moral ethics (I am what I call a projective/receptive telepathic empath). To me, I am not. Some people are content just letting it be. Very few people reach that state of letting it flow naturally. Thinking of it as a skill actually can hamper your success at it. It is more or so senses/limbs that are fixed to your mind. When a person is able to understand the seamless natural flow of psi (using it in the original sense describing psychic phenomenon not describing the term "psi energy") they are able to use it with little more than a thought. I never had to put up with crappy visualization and sensations that can be misinterpreted as nothing more than bio feedback. I simply just did it, partly out of instinctual knowledge.

They are so natural to me that I use them in my everyday life. I am best at manipulating temperature, so if I am too hot, I cool the room down. Make me angry with your loud music and I will fry your stereo. I can do large scale things, but that is another story. The point is that I have been able to do this since I was a small child with no prior knowledge. It was instinctual and natural to me. It is like an extra set of eyes/arms.

QUOTE(Fearn @ Jan 16 2008, 02:48 AM) *
More people seem to be interested in pk, opposed to any other psionic skill. I think it comes from the novelty of being able to move things with your mind.

Psychokinesis is the mind or consiousness affecting matter. Telekinesis is moving an object. Telekinesis is a psychokinetic ability, however, is not psychokinesis all by itself. I was using psychokinesis in the context of the mind affecting all matter. I am a micro psychokinetic. I have the ability to affect whatever I choose in multiple ways, however, someone who is telekinetic would be limitied to influencing the object as a whole typically in a set number of patterns. Take the bending the fork exercise. A purely psychokinetic person would will the moluecular bonds in the fork to shift, which would cause the fork to bend. A telekinetic person would make the fork bend with the weight and involvement of their consiousness. Telekinesis os often times referred to as macro-psychokinesis.

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