Psychokinesis, Rare Ability Or Not. Options

Do you think psychokinetic gifts are rare and why (either yay or nay)? It seems like everyone has sensory gifts out of the wazoo, but it seems as if it is rare for people to have psychokinetic abilities.

We can both agree, Telempath, that there is a diffrence between your body, which you inhabit, and objects that are outside of it.

Other then that. I didnt write that there werent any people who are more "gifted" then others in certain regards. Just that practice and knowledge make for better results and control. Also, regarding those who "can", and those who "cannot", that anyone can achieve results to a certain point and you do not have to be declared "gifted" just to be able to reach certain places. (personaly dont see why you have a problem with this statemeant)

In my view, its hard work and practice that make anyone able of reaching the same place. (even if some have a bit of extra in certain areas, that give them an easier time of reaching there)

Again, I dont know why people have to believe they are "special" just so they can get enough motivation to do something. Or get imidiate results, without putting in the time and effort, to achieve them. Just seems silly to me. If my life was perfect, or If I only had good expiriences with both spiritual things and social parts of my life, then Im sure I wouldnt have any(if at all) motivation to reach where I am today. Also, I too admit, that being called special by others gave me what I needed mentaly to go to those places. I needed that confirmation from others, to get that push, to move onwards with this subject. Though now, that Ive grown somewhat, I can tell you that with what I know anyone can achieve greatness just by putting their very best into it and it doesnt matter if someone tells them they are "special" or worthy of it.

The right kind of understanding(by "right" i mean the technique that suits a certain individual's set of mind and view of the world), and knowing the mechanism your working with, is what in my view makes a person able to do anything from influancing the phisical world, people, spirits, entities, and even TK or telepathy. None of us is better then anyone else, or has something that makes them more "special" or "unique" then any other. We are all just diffrent and have sides to us that are more developed.(though it does not mean that what is less, but still there, cannot be developed to reach any point you desire)

Without hopefully making you mad(not my intention), from personal expirience people say that they can do an awful lot. Though when it comes to the "how" which shows what exactly they changed or manipulated to achieve the result... they are usualy lacking in explanations, other then the popular "its because I am gifted and its easy for me". (not to mention the "I cannot show you now, or do it whenever I want to, because I need certain conditions met" when confronted) That just usualy shows me that their overly developed "abbilities" only work by accident or when supported from various mental states or phisical conditions, and the person in question(that doesnt know the way to manipulate those abbilities or the world around them) just takes advantage of those accidental "hits" where he didnt even have to know much to begin with, for whatever it is to manifest in phisical reality(again, without their control over the process).

So just saying. It is after all my personal opinion. No need to agree with it or accept it. Just seems logical to me. (doesnt mean that you are worng or i am absolutly correct) Mostly what Ive found out from personal expiriences with people. (on the net and otherwise)

I personaly do not believe anyone has "more" or "less" then anyone else. We are all wonderfull and full of so much. If at all there was something to blame, it would be the body(the shell that holds us) that is lacking sometimes, either because of weakness or illness, that makes it less potent to use whatever power it holds within... when at the same time others use their own better, with bigger and more potent results. I dont think there is any person alive who has a less "powerfull" soul. Or a soul that lacks something others have, unless we are talking about various memmories and past life expiriences. :S
I would even add that people who are mentaly unstable or unable to grasp complex ideas, are ones who will also not be able to achieve various things because of this handycap. Just seems more reasonable to me, personaly.

Also, I really(!) disagree with letting others tell you what you are capable of or not and following their advice. On the other hand making it even worse by putting yourself in a catagory that makes it seem like that tiny little ability is the best thing you can do or ever achieve, and at the same time shutting off and mentaly weakening your position in other catagories that you and everyone else are more then able to use.

(and for future refrence, please dont assume about what I know or if I am otherwise gifted or not in whatever it may be, since you do not know me. Its only natural since I give you the same respect and only talk from my personal view of things, without including people individualy even if I do not see with them eye to eye. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) )

Anyhow. Take it or leave it. I just wanted you to understand where I stand and my view. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) No hard feelings. ^^

This post has been edited by Shimi: Apr 14 2008, 10:09 AM

Without hopefully making you mad(not my intention), from personal expirience people say that they can do an awful lot. Though when it comes to the "how" which shows what exactly they changed or manipulated to achieve the result... they are usualy lacking in explanations, other then the popular "its because I am gifted and its easy for me". (not to mention the "I cannot show you now, or do it whenever I want to, because I need certain conditions met" when confronted) That just usualy shows me that their overly developed "abbilities" only work by accident or when supported from various mental states or phisical conditions, and the person in question(that doesnt know the way to manipulate those abbilities or the world around them) just takes advantage of those accidental "hits" where he didnt even have to know much to begin with, for whatever it is to manifest in phisical reality(again, without their control over the process).

You are comparing psi to a set of complex mental interactions when that is not the case. A person does not need to know about the balance of normal force and gravity and Newton's Law of Every Action having an opposite but equal action to walk. You simply walk. The bulk of psi is mostly sensing and interacting, therefore, all you have to do is open up your senses and simply reach out with your mind. It really isn't that hard. Over complicating something to death puts up a barrier.

We can both agree, Telempath, that there is a diffrence between your body, which you inhabit, and objects that are outside of it.

Only difference in form. The objects outside of the body are made of molecules which are made up of protons and neutrons, which are composed of leptons and quarks. Electrons move around the nucleus but at such a distance that there is a ton of space called the quantum vacuum. This makes up matter. There is a mind matter connection (for articles on the topic visit this page of my site, I don't want to go too deep into it). Other findings suggest that consiousness resides in the field surrounding the brain (cemi field theory). Experiments in psi indicate that psi phenomenon seem to violate the traditional laws of physics due to the fact that it can't e shielded by a Faraday cage and is not limited to distance, so some theorize that it is in the form of a low frequency EM emission. A person who is psychokinetic simply links to the object and affects it. A person can argue the energy paradigm, saying that a person can send energy into an object to get an affect, however, one would have to first establish where that energy came from and what is manipulating that energy. This, of course would be the mind, so therefore, it would be an act of psychokinesis on the energy which in turn manipulates the thing. Some theorize that the energy used in psi is a result of a thing called bioplasma that seems to be linked to the consiousness of the organism, therefore, it would still be the mind. Matter is all one, and a psychokinetic person instinctual and naturally understands this. I knew this long before I started studing.

I personaly do not believe anyone has "more" or "less" then anyone else. We are all wonderfull and full of so much. If at all there was something to blame, it would be the body(the shell that holds us) that is lacking sometimes, either because of weakness or illness, that makes it less potent to use whatever power it holds within... when at the same time others use their own better, with bigger and more potent results. I dont think there is any person alive who has a less "powerfull" soul. Or a soul that lacks something others have, unless we are talking about various memmories and past life expiriences. :S
I would even add that people who are mentaly unstable or unable to grasp complex ideas, are ones who will also not be able to achieve various things because of this handycap. Just seems more reasonable to me, personaly.

That is very idealistic, but unrealistic. Who is worth more, the head of a nation or a homeless person. Who would have more of an impact, realistically. I respect your personal belief, but in reality, I don't see it practiced much, otherwise there would be no social class due to the fact that every one is equal. Psi or psionics doesn't rely on the soul, well it depends on how you define the soul. I personally feel the soul is separate from the mind, while some others say that the soul is the mind, but anyways, spirtual philosphy, vedic, etc need not apply. If you try and approach psi or psionics like you approach magick, more than likely would would be met with alot of "work", resistance, and minimal results. It has more to do with the strength of of the mind versus strength of the spirit.

I would also like to point out that I have a learning disability and I am mentally unstable (schizo affective bipolar disorder with sociopathic tendencies) and I am able to do these things just fine (suprisde aren't you). As I said it is an instinctual understanding and sensing of what makes things things and the interacting with that. It doesn't take that much to move a hand does it? Well think of this as a mental hand.

With a thought I could easily fry an entire computer network. I don't need to know the complex ideas or interactions or theory that surrounds the action in order to do it, I simply just have to do it.

This post has been edited by telempath: Apr 15 2008, 04:59 PM