Q&a: Lbrp And The Pentagram Rituals, What do you want to know about the pentagram rituals? Options

The LRP, the GRP, and the SPR seem to come up over and over again. I consider these foundational rituals and even those who do not use them at least started this path with the study of them. Yet there seems every month another question about them and from the questions there seems to be a lot of misunderstanding out there.

It has been suggested to me that I should write up a class at least on the lesser pentagram ritual but I am unable to do so for various reasons. Mainly much of the nitty gritty elements and inner energy work with the vibrations and all I learned through membership in my order and due to my oath I cannot discuss them. So in essence if I did in fact write a class it would be pretty much what is already written and diluted enough that there would be no point.

But it occurs to me that I might be able to answer specific questions that anyone might have. Obviously I will answer them as best as I can and if it encroaches upon my oath I will just dance around it or just not answer the question. It is a pain but it is the best I can do.

So if anyone has anything they have always wanted to know about any of the pentagram rituals then go ahead and ask.

Just out of curiosity, i am not really confortable using the jewish legacy part of the LBRP. Do you believe it would be less functional, and would bear less results, to change the four divine names with other deities? And the Archangels with something else?

How much of the power of the ritual is depending on the paradigm and the jewish correspondences?

Thank you.

Just out of curiosity, i am not really confortable using the jewish legacy part of the LBRP. Do you believe it would be less functional, and would bear less results, to change the four divine names with other deities? And the Archangels with something else?

How much of the power of the ritual is depending on the paradigm and the jewish correspondences?

Thank you.

Some people are just not comfortable with Jewish and Christian references. Obviously the Golden Dawn system is built heavily on them, but if you feel you need to change them to better match your view of the divine then that is fine and encouraged. The newer copies of Regardie's Middle Pillar book actually have several versions of the LBRP using Celtic, Pagan, Egyptian, etc language and symbols.

Right, I've got myself in a bit of a rut and have taken on a technique that the golden dawn manual advises against doing. Think Kraig got me into it to start off with, not sure. Up until now I have been bringing in the elements to oust them as you would a God name drawing it into myself and using the projection technique to direct it toward its relevant quarter and pentagram.... it works perfectly but it is advised against in the G.D manual, I'm assuming its because it may corrupt the energies invoked within oneself but as it works well I don't understand how it could be a problem, am now proficient in regards to the LBRP and BRH am getting a 90% success rate (approx) just concerned about this technique... especially as I use the egyptian version of the lbrp as outlined in I.R's Middle Pillar which puts focus on the elements rather than god names... tried to go back to using the hebrew version but couldn't make it work, too late to be messing around with something I've become accustomed to I guess....

Any advice?

Ok, finally started in 1=10 grade yesterday. Have a few questions about L.T Christophers approach to the ritual without being overly inquisitive and bugging you, nothing major I guess.

Notice that L.T.C lays out the ritual going from South - West - East - North but still talks about 'a circle', its left me wondering whether the Pentagrams should be connected somehow as the connecting line would need to be drawn past the North to the east and round again. Considered dissecting the ritual to make it a complete circle but can see that approaching the north in such a way is beneficial.

Also, does a person use the projection and sign of silence when in earth grade or are these 0=0 signs to be replaced by the 1=10 sign... to give the sign of silence, to disassociate ones energy from a sign/act while invoking seems a bit odd.

No more questions after this, tend to take my work seriously, like having everything nailed down, stable for easy traversing as it were. Am a capricorn, no time for unstable footing. .lol. Your ritual seems to fit in well with the work, wasn't sure where to put it at first but it fits well directly after the invocations facing North, slight problem having to follow it up with the M.P perhaps, would be good to go straight into the tree of life meditation work, might take to doing it after the M.P rather than before.

Thanks.
M

You always complete the circle leaving no breaks in it. I have no idea why he lays out the ritual the way he does, but in the golden dawn tradition and all that follow it you always begin and end in the east moving clockwise.

Also, does a person use the projection and sign of silence when in earth grade or are these 0=0 signs to be replaced by the 1=10 sign... to give the sign of silence, to disassociate ones energy from a sign/act while invoking seems a bit odd.

It depends on what school of thought you are from or are taught from. The manner I favor is stabbing the pentagram charging it from tiphareth, then giving the grade sign. The signs are the mundras of the west and affect the subtle bodies when used.

The comment about the sign of silence shows a complete lack of knowledge on the neophyte signs. It is a two part sign and are always used together. The projecting sign literally project the invoked force to the ends of the universe. To perform it correctly it really needs to be done using the vibratory formula of the Middle Pillar. The sign of silence is the passive aspect of the projection sign. Once you have projected the force to the ends of your strength you fall back into the sign of silence as the projected force comes rebounding back from the edge of the universe to you. Using the sign allows the force to safely wash over you and imprint upon your sphere of sensation.

You always complete the circle leaving no breaks in it. I have no idea why he lays out the ritual the way he does, but in the golden dawn tradition and all that follow it you always begin and end in the east moving clockwise.

It does seem a bit odd, don't think its a type error but in the prayer says, ''Thou art the rumbling of the midnight depths, the hurtling granules of action'' The prayer to the North, ''Thou art the foothold and the foundation, the anchor of the soul and the matrix of the wise. Amen'' appropriate for the North perhaps but I have to admit I'm not fond of the flow, from East to North and back to east again. The self initiation into the G.D book goes from East and round as normal in a way that is preferable.... did think it was specific, for the invocation of earth, but the same is to be done in the other grades as well, round to the east, back round to the North then facing east again.

It depends on what school of thought you are from or are taught from. The manner I favor is stabbing the pentagram charging it from tiphareth, then giving the grade sign. The signs are the mundras of the west and affect the subtle bodies when used.

The comment about the sign of silence shows a complete lack of knowledge on the neophyte signs. It is a two part sign and are always used together. The projecting sign literally project the invoked force to the ends of the universe. To perform it correctly it really needs to be done using the vibratory formula of the Middle Pillar. The sign of silence is the passive aspect of the projection sign. Once you have projected the force to the ends of your strength you fall back into the sign of silence as the projected force comes rebounding back from the edge of the universe to you. Using the sign allows the force to safely wash over you and imprint upon your sphere of sensation.

.lol. Know what I'm doing, kind of, got my wires crossed as I took to using the Egyptian version of the LBRP outlined in Regardies book using elemental names rather than God ones... I draw in the elements and project them from myself out through the pentagrams into the depths of the universe and close with the sign of silence preventing their return as you stated but I shouldn't be drawing in the elements, the technique is only for God names.... In invoking I do the same but as its invoking I considered that I want it to bounce back, like sending out a request or call if you will, thought perhaps I wanted to keep that connection with the signs until I banish them. As I'm using L.T Christophers text this isn't so much of a problem as he uses the last syllable charging approach but does as you do, stabs rather than projects to charge.

Don't understand why L.T.C invokes in such a fashion, thought/think it may have to do with the temple space although that would differ for each grade, just can't see its function. All of the other texts state clearly that invoking is done from East round clockwise and back again. He also implies that one should do the same in the banishing of the element although that is supposed to be done anti clockwise.

Did the invoking as normal last night to better gauge on the difference in flow, the attunment ritual fits perfectly that way but as the invoking style is given for each grade I'm going to have to do it the way it is given. Surprised I didn't notice the diffrence beforehand, just took it for being the LiRP as normal.

Hope to write him and ask about it.

Peace
M