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Fio Praeter Humanus |
May 8 2008, 12:49 PM
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Enochian magick is one of the flag ship magical systems since it was received via Dee and Kelly. Currently there is more enochian material published and available than at any point in history, with more titles constantly coming out. Here at SM we are proud of our diverse forum options and experienced members, although I have noticed our enochian forum has lagged lately.
I am calling for any and all enochian magicians we may have on these boards, people studying the system, using it, and people who are old hat at it, to come and begin discussions here and try and revive this forum.
Move, therefore, and show yourselves!
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Vagrant Dreamer |
May 8 2008, 01:35 PM
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I wonder what some of you more experienced practitioners think of the idea of Letter Essences for the enochian alphabet? There's a website regarding the theory here: Angelic Letter Essences. Now, I'm just beginning my study of enochian, I haven't even thought of practicing it yet, but while looking for texts on the subject I ran across this page, and it struck a chord because of my experience with the Hebrew Aleph-Bet, and because of my experience with some of the higher classes of entities that I've dealt with. It seems that the 'closer' they are to materiality, the more they communicate "verbally", but many of the 'farther' entities have always communicated with concepts that would have been difficult to put into words. So enter the Letter Essences. Now, it may not be a new concept - I haven't gotten all that far in enochian, mostly right now I'm just studying the tablets and memorizing calls - but it was the first time I encountered it. You certainly can't believe everything you read on the internet, but I always felt that mystical languages should speak magically, rather than in the mundane language sense of discrete letters having little or no meaning in and of themselves. Only a purely material language should work that way, it seems to me, because sound itself is more significant than that. However, at this point I don't know enough about the system as a whole to properly evaluate the validity of this theory. Any thoughts? peace
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Imperial Arts |
May 8 2008, 11:39 PM
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Like most occult systems, nearly every aspect of Enochian magic can at once appear to be a potent occult system, a re-working of older work, or just outright BS. There is only one way to really find out which of those things is the most appropriate label, and I am not pursuing Enochian magic as a practice.
To those who do follow the system, I have long held two great fascinations with it. Whereas most often I encounter those interested in the comparative details of the system and those of the language itself, I am instead more interested in what is coming from the system from today's Enochian magicians.
From a study of the Lesser Angle descriptions, it seems that Dee intended the system to be used (at least in part) for the discovery, transportation, refinement, and application of minerals or other natural substances for the purpose of creating medicines or other substances of value to human affairs.
I do not really care what the name of the guardian of the 24th Aethyr is, or what sort of initiations take place in the Southeastern portion of the Western Quadrangle. I am however very interested in seeing Enochian magic divulge heretofore unknown chemical compounds applicable to medicine or other industries.
Has anyone put some serious effort into exploring this avenue of research?
I am interested in seeing such a project if it exists or has existed, or if it can exist in the future. Who has a "working protocol" that they feel could be adapted to this purpose?
Could it be arranged so that these resources, doscovered by the scrying sessions, would be extracted by a cooperative effort if the discovered materials were remote from the conjurers? Can this sort of thing be organized at all? I'd truly love to see such a thing come from Enochian magicians.
My other great fascination with the subject is the connection of the system to Aztec lore, as I understand that Dee's "Shewstone" was once the most sacred idol of that nation. Has anyone explored the possibility that this system was in any way used by that priesthood?
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Fio Praeter Humanus |
May 9 2008, 07:27 AM
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Theurgist
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QUOTE(Imperial Arts @ May 9 2008, 01:39 AM) From a study of the Lesser Angle descriptions, it seems that Dee intended the system to be used (at least in part) for the discovery, transportation, refinement, and application of minerals or other natural substances for the purpose of creating medicines or other substances of value to human affairs. Has anyone put some serious effort into exploring this avenue of research?
I am interested in seeing such a project if it exists or has existed, or if it can exist in the future. Who has a "working protocol" that they feel could be adapted to this purpose?
Could it be arranged so that these resources, doscovered by the scrying sessions, would be extracted by a cooperative effort if the discovered materials were remote from the conjurers? Can this sort of thing be organized at all? I'd truly love to see such a thing come from Enochian magicians.
I am just beginning to delve into the sub-angles of the tablets but I am very interested in finding out just what exactly those spirits can actually do. I am a engineer by profession so I am attracted to the earth sub-angles which deal with the mechanical arts. I am fully planning to see if they can help me advance my career with knowledge and applications and possible new patients etc. I have no idea if they can do this or not, but the possibility is exciting and I am going to find out.
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Fio Praeter Humanus Enochian Magicians May 8 2008, 12:49 PM Fio Praeter Humanus I wonder what some of you more experienced practit... May 9 2008, 07:21 AM Frater Yechidah I haven't been on SM for a while, but just tho... May 9 2008, 11:39 AM ComaOfLoss I'm in too. Enochian is pretty much the only s... Jun 6 2008, 04:18 AM Fio Praeter Humanus One thing that interest me is that has anyone used... Jun 6 2008, 06:26 AM Neshamah I would advise anyone who is interested in Enochia... Jul 24 2008, 08:06 AM shamanwizard I would advise anyone who is interested in Enochia... Jul 26 2008, 01:16 PM Imperial Arts I would advise anyone who is interested in Enochia... Jul 27 2008, 04:43 PM Neshamah Yes, I have heard of Orion de LaCruz; in fact, I h... Jul 26 2008, 07:12 PM shamanwizard Yes, I have heard of Orion de LaCruz; in fact, I h... Jul 27 2008, 10:36 AM Neshamah If I understand your questions in the previous pos... Jul 27 2008, 09:12 PM Imperial Arts I still have my books in boxes (the shelves are ta... Jul 28 2008, 03:44 PM Neshamah I thoght I was answering questions for someone who... Jul 28 2008, 06:51 PM Imperial Arts I am struggling to find any part of my post that c... Jul 28 2008, 07:30 PM Neshamah All right. For the others in this forum, I will re... Jul 28 2008, 08:38 PM Neshamah Anyone truly interested in studying and / or worki... Jul 30 2008, 01:38 PM Frater Yechidah As Neshamah mentioned, Enochian is dangerous becau... Jul 31 2008, 07:59 PM Neshamah Ave dear Yechidiah,
I agree completely with your ... Aug 1 2008, 02:58 PM Frater Yechidah My comment was in regard to: "For most of us ... Aug 1 2008, 04:01 PM Neshamah Ok, back to the discussion...
[color=#330099]Ea... Aug 10 2008, 09:19 AM Frater Yechidah Excellent assessment and analysis of the Calls, Br... Aug 12 2008, 07:49 PM Praxis I have always liked the way that the Enochian para... Nov 19 2008, 04:59 PM
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