Finding Spirit Names From Your Natal Chart?, A question about a method in Agrippa's Occult Philosophy Book III Options

In Book III, of Agrippa's Books of Occult Philosophy, in Chapter 26-27, there is a method to discover (supposedly) the name of a good, and a bad spirit, that has been "assigned" to you at birth.

I'm trying to do this, but I can't quite make sense of it, I'm going to be buying another translation before Christmas, and hopefully that will help clear it up, but I thought I'd try here first.

From what I can understand (which may be all wrong), the method in Chapter 26, is to take your birth chart, and starting at your Ascendant, assign in order the letters of the Hebrew Alphabet, and wherever a planet rests, that letter is part of the Spirit name. But how do you order the letters to get the name? I've figured out my seven letters, but from there, I don't know how to arrange them to find the name.

I've also read two different explanations on getting the name of the bad spirit, one is you label the letters backwards from the Ascendant, the other is you use the letters (degrees) opposite of wherever a planet rests in your chart.

Can anyone clear this up for me?

As for chapter 27, I'm just lost, so any help there would be much appreciated.

the idea of this technique is the multitude of variations it gives. the 22 lettered alphabet does not fit in exactly with the 360 degrees, therefore there s more work put in into calculating.

Abed, due to the fact that this is an astrological technique and astrology was passed on from the Greeks to the Medieval and Renaissance period mainly through arabic authors, i think it would be very appropriate to use this with the abjad, If you re muslim, not christian or jewish or at least ceremonially based upon this tradition, the 28 letter alphabet would in fact be more advised than the hebrew.
The proper termination would be in your case IL.
M L Kh W F Dj M just to give an illustrative example would be the genius MELKHUFDJEMIL, and by gemaria you could also find which one of the Asma Ul Husna rules over it and can help you contact him.

Also, i ve devised a method of making a square out of it. Regardless if it is hebrew or arabic, the name of the genius would have 9 letters, 7 planets + A L, termination, 9 letters.

Make a square of 6X6 and write the name from right to left:

6 5 4 3 2 1

3 2 1 9 8 7

9 8 7 6 5 4

6 5 4 3 2 1

3 2 1 9 8 7

9 8 7 6 5 4

the idea of this technique is the multitude of variations it gives. the 22 lettered alphabet does not fit in exactly with the 360 degrees, therefore there s more work put in into calculating.

Abed, due to the fact that this is an astrological technique and astrology was passed on from the Greeks to the Medieval and Renaissance period mainly through arabic authors, i think it would be very appropriate to use this with the abjad, If you re muslim, not christian or jewish or at least ceremonially based upon this tradition, the 28 letter alphabet would in fact be more advised than the hebrew.
The proper termination would be in your case IL.
M L Kh W F Dj M just to give an illustrative example would be the genius MELKHUFDJEMIL, and by gemaria you could also find which one of the Asma Ul Husna rules over it and can help you contact him.

Also, i ve devised a method of making a square out of it. Regardless if it is hebrew or arabic, the name of the genius would have 9 letters, 7 planets + A L, termination, 9 letters.

Make a square of 6X6 and write the name from right to left:

6 5 4 3 2 1

3 2 1 9 8 7

9 8 7 6 5 4

6 5 4 3 2 1

3 2 1 9 8 7

9 8 7 6 5 4

Wow, you are surprisingly knowledgeable in the eastern system! I have a couple of questions though, you said the proper termination for me would be IL, pronounced “AYEL”, which is true, but brings me to ask isn’t this the proper termination in western and cabalistic systems too? Sorry my question might have an obvious answer to even a newbie but am almost oblivious to the western system, so what would the proper termination in western system be?

Another thing you said is that I can use this method to pick the suitable names for me of “ASMA AL HUSNA” that will resonate better with my nature, “ASMA AL HUSNA” for those who don’t know are somewhat similar to the 72 names of God in kabala, but they are actually 99 in “ASMA AL HUSNA’s” case, can you elaborate on the method you mentioned? I actually use another method for this, using the numerical value of my name, but if I can learn a new method for this it would be great.

Again I see that you decided to go with the 7 old planets, but wouldn’t be more accurate and current if we actually used the whole 10 planets, coming up with ten letter names for the spirits, which would in turn be more powerful than a 7 letter spirit.

The idea of using the spirit name in a square is brilliant since it will suffice in the place of a sigil to draw the spirit closer and make communication easier, but may I suggest using the numerical value of the spirit name in the square instead of the letters, this would seem to me to be the more powerful approach.

On a final note, I was thinking since we will assign a letter to every degree in the chart, this makes the accuracy of the birth time that much more important, and difficult to obtain, I actually remember paying a professional astrologer a few years back some money to try and work his way back from land marks in my life to the exact birth time to determine the exact second I was born, and even though he is very capable and knowledgeable the results he came up with are still shadowed with doubt to this day. This makes me wonder if this method is of any use to those of us who were not lucky enough to have the exact birth time recorded at the hospital, since the slightest mistake could move the whole chart few degrees from the correct birth time and that would make it impossible to obtain the correct spirit name, one way to go around this dilemma might be to simply use the alphabets assigned to each zodiac sign, taking the letters of every zodiac sign in which planets have fell in, then picking the letters that are actually closer to the position of the planet inside the sign (example: lets say that the letters A,B are assigned to Aries, we would then assign Aries 1-15 to letter A and Aries 16-30 to letter B, lets say the planet fell in ARIES 25, so we would pick the letter B).

After collecting all the letters from the Chart we can use them to obtain a name of another spirit that is somewhat related to your nature, might not be as powerful as Agrippa’s method, but would probably handle a much greater error margin in the birth time.

This post has been edited by Abed Al Qader: Jun 2 2008, 11:25 PM