The Truth About Sin, Sinfulness Options

I believe the truth about sin, however controversial it might be, should be known.

People from different religious tenets tend to complain about how sinful human beings are.
They say things, like "Adam ate the forbidden fruit and separated us from God".
They say things like, "man and God cannot exist together unless sin is removed, as God is holy".
They also say things like, "It's mans fault, that there is evil in the world"
They say, "God is perfect, and purely good"

I believe that as harsh as it might be, God is the real sinner. God is the reason we could do evil.
God is the reason humans have free will. God is the reason detestable things take place in this
universe. If it wasn't for God's evil, things like "babies falling from buildings, cars wiping out in
bad weather, hurricanes, tsunamis, earthquakes, etc" wouldn't happen, in any circumstances.
God is the reason behind demonic activity. God is the creator of all things good and evil,
and therefore is responsible for all human evil. We have him to thank for all our life's woes.

If human beings were responsible for evil in this universe, we'd have to be some pretty bad dudes.
Why is it human civilization, is always accepting blame for the faults of God?

It's not our fault that God chooses to create a universe full of moral ambiguity.

Blame the Most High God!

Ok, let me try to explain GOD and sin from the prespective of experience and a LOT of study. I don't expect that I can explain this very well. It is kind of a catch 22. You must experience GOD before you can TRULY understand. First I'm am going to use Absolute in place of GOD. GOD has to much baggage. If you can understand this concept intellectually (if I can present it properly) then you are 1/2 way there.

Form the posts and I have just skimmed them I get the impression that we are still locked in the Fairy Tale GOD. We are still hanging on to the notion of an entity that sits on a cloud and takes notes. That is horse S..., think about it, childish and ..... well impossible. But he is omnipotent..... I have met other spirits with great power so why not on with super power. No sorry, there are but they are not GOD. There may even be entities that claim to be GOD. There is no big Boss per se. There is one big entity however.

Sin..... no such thing. There is Karma. I believe it is extremely necessary to understand Karma. This was the goal of Theosophy They believed that if every one understood Karma then it would solve ALL the problems of the planet. I believe they were on the right track but people are people. Some just don't give a crap. The give out 10 free lessons mostly having to do with Karma which is excellent.

Home page:http://www.blavatsky.net/ Home Study Course link:http://www.blavatsky.net/member/course.htm

I recommend taking a look at it it is total free and worth looking at.

So back to GOD or the Absolute:
EVERY religion (catholic, jewish, islam, etc.) tells you the truth how who ever wrote the literature couldn't explain it either at least not to FULL understanding.
Catholic: Where is GOD? Answer GOD is every where. They do mean that there is no where that GOD isn't.
Islam: There is nothing but God (Allha) and Mohammed is his prophet

That is all you need to know. So lets think this out a bit. People hear it but don't think about it. They don't want you to either. When I was in school they had a teachers strike so FL in there infinite wisdom fired them and hired substandard teachers. I went to the Catholic School as they hired all the great teachers. Hey if ya have to put up with it ya might as well learn something. Ok Bill is 16 Day one religion class:
Father Smith We are going to study the Catechism (sp).
Student: We are already confirmed why?
Note: Catechism: series of questions to which they provide the answers. You need to know them to get confirmed, highest sacrament you can get until marriage or priesthood.
FR: WE need to understand the Catechism.
FR: 1st question.... Where is GOD?
Bill: Thinking I hate the Catechism 1st question easy answer. He's using a seating chart, put up you hand Dumb A.. you won't get called on for the hard ones.
Raise your hand... hand shoot up.... no one else.... first day everyone is shy.
Fr: (Looking at his seating chart) Master S.
Bill: GOD is everywhere!
FR: Correct next question.
Bill: Freaking out as he just actually listened and realized what he just said. Hand shoot up
Fr: What? you answered correctly.... next question.
Bill: Yes but I have a question about the question.... If GOD is everywhere do you mean by that that there is NOWHERE where GOD isn't?
FR: Yes exactly. Next Question
Bill: No Fr. I I'm starting to freak out because that would mean that Mr. Victorio here is GOD....
FR: Now starting to freak....noooo next question
Bill: No I'M NOT DONE.... that also means mr Kearnan is GOD..... You are GOD (Priest Freaking out NO I'm just a Priest) I am sitting on GOD writing with GOD on GOD. Please Help me here.
FR: That is incorrect......
Bill: NO Fr. If he is everywhere and we are not GOD then explain.
FR: Got to the office you are disrupting the class.
Bill: Ok, I am not trying to disrupt I need to understand and you are supposed to explain..... (FR TO THE OFFICE see the Dean)
The Dean was an Irish Priest about 26 yrs old and a sadist. Mom had had a run in with him and he was scared to death of my Mother, so I was not afraid)
FR F: Leaning on the counter in the office looking bored.... What are you doing here Master S. Are you ill.
Bill: No Fr. I got kicked out of class.
FR: You? (I was good usually) What ever for? Which Class?
Bill: FR. Smith's Religion class. I asked a question and he could not explain it.
FR F: Well I am a priest will answer the question, what was it.
Bill: I know the answer, the question was Where is GOD?
FR F: And your answer?
Bill: Everywhere
FR F: Correct what is the problem?
Bill: GOD is everywhere which means that there is nowhere that GOD isn't.
FR F: Yes, is the man Daft?
Bill: Well that means that she is GOD (pointing at the secretary typing on GOD with GOD, Sitting on GOD, you are GOD and Leaning on GOD, I am GOD also
(All the time FR F is saying NO NO NO.
Bill: Then Explain, because if that is true why do we need you and the church?
FR F: Standing up straightened this point the Secretary, stopped typing and is starring back and forth at me and the priest. Nice Day out isn't it?
Bill: yes beautiful but...
Fr F: I think a study hall is needed why don't you enjoy the rest of the period in the court yard Studying for the next class I will be watching.
Bill: BUT FATHER I am freaking out here please explain
FR F: Study Hall in the Court Yard I'll be keeping an eye on ya.
Bill: OK (that was Friday)
Monday Religion class
FR S: I hope you all brought you Bibles (looking at me) If not you will be disciplined is required for the class. We are studying the Bible as History
Bill: Father what Happened to the Catechism?
FR S: Glaring at me... THE BIBLE AS HISTORY
Bill: Good, I love history. Made a B for the class.

Sorry, I tell stories I have had a weird life and have lots of them.

30 yrs later:
I was invited to take part in a Shamanic Ceremony (I was not into shamanism at the time) it involved a grass from Australia... don't know what it was.
Another Long story but here is the short of it:
There were 12 of us. I watched as each took turns. One hit, on the floor, there for a few min. Then they got up. Some came up as gods Kali was one. I reconsider instantly(I had never studied the Hindu deities sop I found this weird yet profound) there was this sacredness that came with her that could not be denied There were others that came with other people. So I took my turn I was last or one of the last. I took the hit. There was no fighting it you were going down. I did try (wrong thing to do) and as I feel I fell through the layers of existence At some point I reached out to something BIG mistake. I locked in on what ever it was and learned EVERYTHING about it, the positive and the negative, swinging back and forth from Total orgasmic Bliss to hellish Fear I finally found myself in peace in nothingness. I became aware that I was but there was nothing else. Then I heard a loud resounding I AM. There was this explosion and the universe formed before me and I knew ALL and EVERYTHING I had achieved objective consciousness I understood not only intellectually I actually the universe. I was GOD. This brought back all the stuff from FR S's class and put it together me. We are ALL GOD because there IS NOTHING ELSE but GOD.... Mohammed may or may not be his prophet.

I had been blowing out to GOD in Meditation before all this. The 1st time scared the crap out of me, but I was with a friend who had already had the experience with the ceremony so he felt it and was there. The calmed me down. For years after I could take people there and it was my goal teach as many possible. I did not have much success most of the time it scared the crap out of them, and I could not explain it.

Emerald Tablets Of Thoth the Atlantean: The one in the many and the many in the one.
Another example this fact has been in plane sight and multitudes have told us but you can't get it until you experience. You can only think you get it.

So there is no sin, there is negative and positive for one that is how our limited minds interprets. Everything is subject to karma so there is no sin pre se There is only consciousness THere is no magick, there is no you and yet there is. We have the solid because of an agreement. It is all consciousness nothing else.

Ok well that is my thoughts truncated.

There is better explanations out there most have probably seen What the BLEEP, Down the Rabbit Hole edition, helps. I would suggest watching that a few times. Then watch Atom to Cosmos. You can watch Atom to Cosmos in full on You Tube and others. You can buy both also, amazon has them. Atom to Cosmos it a must for a serious meditator.

None of this negates your work. I would also like to call your attention to Initiation Human and Solar, very interesting. Looking at what many are doing and about here I would think this book by Alice Bailey will jog some past memories.

So an the subject of sin look into Karma..... there is more to it then is usually understood. Understanding Karma will open a lot of incites and understanding it may change your work. The Free course is a great place to start. To have a more realistic view of GOD then What the Bleep and Atom to Cosmos, to understand where you are going with all this Spiritual stuff Alice Bailee will help (not easy reading but that doesn't seem to be a problem with this group).

All this will probably cause you to re-think many things. I think it will give you understanding but you need to keep going until there is realization. They are 2 different aspects. The only thing you may lose is your misconceptions. believe me you want to become more magickal understand these concepts until you realize them. You will really be able to Go with the FLOW. Be a partner with the universe or the Absolute (GOD if you must) your life will improve because you are not fighting anything.

My point of view, I don't think I did a great job of explaining it but I hope you will look into the 4 or 5 books and films I mentioned. The hardest thing is letting go of our concepts for what ever reason. Please if you want to control people and entities.... well this stuff may not be for you. If you want to get on with things as I do because I am old and over most of what I see around me this stuff may help.

Sorry about the spelling got tired of correcting the corrections it made.

Krell

Ok, let me try to explain GOD and sin from the prespective of experience and a LOT of study. I don't expect that I can explain this very well. It is kind of a catch 22. You must experience GOD before you can TRULY understand. First I'm am going to use Absolute in place of GOD. GOD has to much baggage. If you can understand this concept intellectually (if I can present it properly) then you are 1/2 way there.

Form the posts and I have just skimmed them I get the impression that we are still locked in the Fairy Tale GOD. We are still hanging on to the notion of an entity that sits on a cloud and takes notes. That is horse S..., think about it, childish and ..... well impossible. But he is omnipotent..... I have met other spirits with great power so why not on with super power. No sorry, there are but they are not GOD. There may even be entities that claim to be GOD. There is no big Boss per se. There is one big entity however.

Sin..... no such thing. There is Karma. I believe it is extremely necessary to understand Karma. This was the goal of Theosophy They believed that if every one understood Karma then it would solve ALL the problems of the planet. I believe they were on the right track but people are people. Some just don't give a crap. The give out 10 free lessons mostly having to do with Karma which is excellent.

Home page:http://www.blavatsky.net/ Home Study Course link:http://www.blavatsky.net/member/course.htm

I recommend taking a look at it it is total free and worth looking at.

So back to GOD or the Absolute:
EVERY religion (catholic, jewish, islam, etc.) tells you the truth how who ever wrote the literature couldn't explain it either at least not to FULL understanding.
Catholic: Where is GOD? Answer GOD is every where. They do mean that there is no where that GOD isn't.
Islam: There is nothing but God (Allha) and Mohammed is his prophet

That is all you need to know. So lets think this out a bit. People hear it but don't think about it. They don't want you to either. When I was in school they had a teachers strike so FL in there infinite wisdom fired them and hired substandard teachers. I went to the Catholic School as they hired all the great teachers. Hey if ya have to put up with it ya might as well learn something. Ok Bill is 16 Day one religion class:
Father Smith We are going to study the Catechism (sp).
Student: We are already confirmed why?
Note: Catechism: series of questions to which they provide the answers. You need to know them to get confirmed, highest sacrament you can get until marriage or priesthood.
FR: WE need to understand the Catechism.
FR: 1st question.... Where is GOD?
Bill: Thinking I hate the Catechism 1st question easy answer. He's using a seating chart, put up you hand Dumb A.. you won't get called on for the hard ones.
Raise your hand... hand shoot up.... no one else.... first day everyone is shy.
Fr: (Looking at his seating chart) Master S.
Bill: GOD is everywhere!
FR: Correct next question.
Bill: Freaking out as he just actually listened and realized what he just said. Hand shoot up
Fr: What? you answered correctly.... next question.
Bill: Yes but I have a question about the question.... If GOD is everywhere do you mean by that that there is NOWHERE where GOD isn't?
FR: Yes exactly. Next Question
Bill: No Fr. I I'm starting to freak out because that would mean that Mr. Victorio here is GOD....
FR: Now starting to freak....noooo next question
Bill: No I'M NOT DONE.... that also means mr Kearnan is GOD..... You are GOD (Priest Freaking out NO I'm just a Priest) I am sitting on GOD writing with GOD on GOD. Please Help me here.
FR: That is incorrect......
Bill: NO Fr. If he is everywhere and we are not GOD then explain.
FR: Got to the office you are disrupting the class.
Bill: Ok, I am not trying to disrupt I need to understand and you are supposed to explain..... (FR TO THE OFFICE see the Dean)
The Dean was an Irish Priest about 26 yrs old and a sadist. Mom had had a run in with him and he was scared to death of my Mother, so I was not afraid)
FR F: Leaning on the counter in the office looking bored.... What are you doing here Master S. Are you ill.
Bill: No Fr. I got kicked out of class.
FR: You? (I was good usually) What ever for? Which Class?
Bill: FR. Smith's Religion class. I asked a question and he could not explain it.
FR F: Well I am a priest will answer the question, what was it.
Bill: I know the answer, the question was Where is GOD?
FR F: And your answer?
Bill: Everywhere
FR F: Correct what is the problem?
Bill: GOD is everywhere which means that there is nowhere that GOD isn't.
FR F: Yes, is the man Daft?
Bill: Well that means that she is GOD (pointing at the secretary typing on GOD with GOD, Sitting on GOD, you are GOD and Leaning on GOD, I am GOD also
(All the time FR F is saying NO NO NO.
Bill: Then Explain, because if that is true why do we need you and the church?
FR F: Standing up straightened this point the Secretary, stopped typing and is starring back and forth at me and the priest. Nice Day out isn't it?
Bill: yes beautiful but...
Fr F: I think a study hall is needed why don't you enjoy the rest of the period in the court yard Studying for the next class I will be watching.
Bill: BUT FATHER I am freaking out here please explain
FR F: Study Hall in the Court Yard I'll be keeping an eye on ya.
Bill: OK (that was Friday)
Monday Religion class
FR S: I hope you all brought you Bibles (looking at me) If not you will be disciplined is required for the class. We are studying the Bible as History
Bill: Father what Happened to the Catechism?
FR S: Glaring at me... THE BIBLE AS HISTORY
Bill: Good, I love history. Made a B for the class.

Sorry, I tell stories I have had a weird life and have lots of them.

30 yrs later:
I was invited to take part in a Shamanic Ceremony (I was not into shamanism at the time) it involved a grass from Australia... don't know what it was.
Another Long story but here is the short of it:
There were 12 of us. I watched as each took turns. One hit, on the floor, there for a few min. Then they got up. Some came up as gods Kali was one. I reconsider instantly(I had never studied the Hindu deities sop I found this weird yet profound) there was this sacredness that came with her that could not be denied There were others that came with other people. So I took my turn I was last or one of the last. I took the hit. There was no fighting it you were going down. I did try (wrong thing to do) and as I feel I fell through the layers of existence At some point I reached out to something BIG mistake. I locked in on what ever it was and learned EVERYTHING about it, the positive and the negative, swinging back and forth from Total orgasmic Bliss to hellish Fear I finally found myself in peace in nothingness. I became aware that I was but there was nothing else. Then I heard a loud resounding I AM. There was this explosion and the universe formed before me and I knew ALL and EVERYTHING I had achieved objective consciousness I understood not only intellectually I actually the universe. I was GOD. This brought back all the stuff from FR S's class and put it together me. We are ALL GOD because there IS NOTHING ELSE but GOD.... Mohammed may or may not be his prophet.

I had been blowing out to GOD in Meditation before all this. The 1st time scared the crap out of me, but I was with a friend who had already had the experience with the ceremony so he felt it and was there. The calmed me down. For years after I could take people there and it was my goal teach as many possible. I did not have much success most of the time it scared the crap out of them, and I could not explain it.

Emerald Tablets Of Thoth the Atlantean: The one in the many and the many in the one.
Another example this fact has been in plane sight and multitudes have told us but you can't get it until you experience. You can only think you get it.

So there is no sin, there is negative and positive for one that is how our limited minds interprets. Everything is subject to karma so there is no sin pre se There is only consciousness THere is no magick, there is no you and yet there is. We have the solid because of an agreement. It is all consciousness nothing else.

Ok well that is my thoughts truncated.

There is better explanations out there most have probably seen What the BLEEP, Down the Rabbit Hole edition, helps. I would suggest watching that a few times. Then watch Atom to Cosmos. You can watch Atom to Cosmos in full on You Tube and others. You can buy both also, amazon has them. Atom to Cosmos it a must for a serious meditator.

None of this negates your work. I would also like to call your attention to Initiation Human and Solar, very interesting. Looking at what many are doing and about here I would think this book by Alice Bailey will jog some past memories.

So an the subject of sin look into Karma..... there is more to it then is usually understood. Understanding Karma will open a lot of incites and understanding it may change your work. The Free course is a great place to start. To have a more realistic view of GOD then What the Bleep and Atom to Cosmos, to understand where you are going with all this Spiritual stuff Alice Bailee will help (not easy reading but that doesn't seem to be a problem with this group).

All this will probably cause you to re-think many things. I think it will give you understanding but you need to keep going until there is realization. They are 2 different aspects. The only thing you may lose is your misconceptions. believe me you want to become more magickal understand these concepts until you realize them. You will really be able to Go with the FLOW. Be a partner with the universe or the Absolute (GOD if you must) your life will improve because you are not fighting anything.

My point of view, I don't think I did a great job of explaining it but I hope you will look into the 4 or 5 books and films I mentioned. The hardest thing is letting go of our concepts for what ever reason. Please if you want to control people and entities.... well this stuff may not be for you. If you want to get on with things as I do because I am old and over most of what I see around me this stuff may help.

Sorry about the spelling got tired of correcting the corrections it made.

Krell

This is all very interesting, but I already read the four agreements, read many lives many prophets,and many other books about GOD being everything and karma.......so I understand what you think and what you believe, but you can not forget that humans are in need of some ethics and an beliving in sin its a good way to give ethics an valuable virtues...and all of that stuff (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wizard.gif)

This is all very interesting, but I already read the four agreements, read many lives many prophets,and many other books about GOD being everything and karma.......so I understand what you think and what you believe, but you can not forget that humans are in need of some ethics and an beliving in sin its a good way to give ethics an valuable virtues...and all of that stuff (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wizard.gif)

Spell checker sucks I hope I cought all the typos and weirdness of the spell checker.

Yes, that is quite true, and that is why we have the concept of sin. It may have even been given to us by the gods/goddesses. Which I believe to be ascended masters, and/or very advanced humanoids trying to get us on the right track. It was also used as a control mechanism by the Church, and still is used in that way. Karma you have the same effect but it would be very difficult to control the masses. In fact you would have less control because it puts everything on the individual It also teaches responsibility better then Sin. It is in the christian literature " as you sow so shall you reap".

It is very hard to drop the brain washing of our culture, especialy since it has been taught for 5000 yrs. Once you understand the nature of of GOD sin starts to fall apart. Karma makes more senseto most people need that sin concept or anarcanarchyd arrisarisetually we are seeing that now, sin only works as long as one is still hanging on to the notion of GOD taking notes and ready to pass judgement. With Karma you judge yourself re-incarnate and pay you dues, it is far more complicated then that however. It is the way we learn, the way we evolve. Once you get a clearer understanding of Karma, sin falls apart.

Ok, with sin we have police to handel thoesthose don't care, we see that now, as peolppeopleaway or just don't believe the fairy tales, they stop belibelievingHeaven/Hell. With a clearer understanding of Karma you would not need the police, you have internal police (as the Dali Lama would put it).
With Karma you have a good chance, with sin chances are slim. EVEN IF GOD was someone taking notes he leaves little chance of going to heaven. This makes no sense as he is suposupposedbe all loving and compcompassionate. There is little room for comacompassion love with sin. Yes they will try to tell you there is compassion but only for the Saint.

Do we burn for our sins? Yes, but not etereternallyd not becubecause commanded it. It is because at death we do our review, we are our own judge and jury. We are totatotallyartial, there are no excuses or shershirkingresoresopnciblitythis review. We pass our own judgement. Then we design our next incarnation, to right the wrongs and learn. At least this is the ideal and most follow that ideal. PersPersonallyging myself scares the hell out of me. I do not like the posspossibility I would not want to be judged by me. Also there are instances where a spirit does not get it and spirals down (devolves). What is in store for them how does the universe get the bastards..... EvenEventual energy that is that soul or spirit disperses, there is no entity at that point (eternal life for the sin crowd). Where the burning comes in is when we die we can not physphysicalksmokearrets, drink, take heriheroinere is no crack. I took extrextrememples to make a point. But we can be addicted to other things such as a mate, TV, candy, ANYTHING. When we can't get it but still can see it, prehperhapsll it what ever the longing and want creacreatesriction that makes a heat. So that is where the Hell idea comes in. Once the craving is "Burned off" we then go about setting up our lessens for the next time.

Like I said once understood it makes more sencsense the way around. At this time cilicivilasionon its last leg so you have a lot of people collected, at each end time this being the 4th going to the 5th, you get a lot of souls/spirits that just don't get it. You have that on the Astral also. This end time is one of the grand ones (maybe they all are) where the universe is cleaning house, big time. There is a war going on on the Astral right now, when it is done there it is our turn. Once the universe clean up the energy then we have a period where enlightenment is more difficult as every is so close that they can't see the forest for the trees. In our time it is obvious that we are farther form that but it is easier to move on because it is more obvious that something is very wrong and we have gotten off track. The hindus have it all figured out in the Ugas (sp) I believe it is all explained in the Book of Manu (something like that). I have not put much effort into Hinduism but I have had it explained by one. I'm not sure if this is correct but I think this is the text you can read it on line (I have not by the way).
http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/manu.htm

So when we are at a cercertain level of understanding the concept of Sin is needed, once you gain understanding (over many lives sometimes) you get closer to the truth which is Karma. As you take on responsibility you move up with responsibility comes abilities. You could call it power however I have noticed as one gains the understanding and the aabilitiesone is less likely to use it.

For example (at the risk of offending some, NOT MY IINTENT Weather magick. Very popular, there is a rational for it. Fairly easy to do. I have done it myself. I did it once in the ppresentsof my teacher. Whoooo did I get a lecture. Basically on did I think I was smarter then the very planet I live on. Taking rain for my Basil means no rain for someone elses flowers. Also there is a control problem which could be ddisastrous You get the idea. So yes I could do it, but once all things were considered, in all honesty I could not. As stated my teachers taught "power" but also tried to lead us to wisdom.

One time I went to ooneof the Wiccan sabbths it was summer. I live in FL. We KNOW rain here, and we have more llightningthen most places on the planet I think we are 2nd. A storm blew in We have small (comparatively) storms that do more damage than Hurricanes. As the storm mover over the circle it started to rain. You could see the deluge coming. The HP said he would open the circle for anyone that wanted to leave before it really started to come down. Most stayed. I did, WE GOT DRENCHED. We also completed the ceremony (not wiccan so forgive me if it is called something else). They certianly could have moved the rain elsewere, they could have made a logical rational for doing so. There were near 50 people there, many of them could have moved the rain and lightning together it would have been as easy as stepping over a crack in the sidewalk. No one even suggested it or I did not hear it, if someone did they were out voted.
They did the right think, the ceremony was quite impressive lots of energy raised I have a lot of respect for these people. They since moved the place where they held their group functions and I have lost touch.

An understanding of the Aascended Masters is a help also. Which is some what included in the reading suggestions in the previous post.

Again this is what I have come to understand. What is true depends on the level of understanding. Example I was reading my Moms encylopedia one day, (she is 86) the encylopedia was one from her college days printed in the 30's the atom was the smallest unit and could not be split. We now understand that CConsciousnessit the smallest unit and the atom can unfortunately be split. With Knowledge comes responsibility, with this we have done only a fair job.

Krell

Spell checker sucks I hope I cought all the typos and weirdness of the spell checker.

Yes, that is quite true, and that is why we have the concept of sin. It may have even been given to us by the gods/goddesses. Which I believe to be ascended masters, and/or very advanced humanoids trying to get us on the right track. It was also used as a control mechanism by the Church, and still is used in that way. Karma you have the same effect but it would be very difficult to control the masses. In fact you would have less control because it puts everything on the individual It also teaches responsibility better then Sin. It is in the christian literature " as you sow so shall you reap".

It is very hard to drop the brain washing of our culture, especialy since it has been taught for 5000 yrs. Once you understand the nature of of GOD sin starts to fall apart. Karma makes more senseto most people need that sin concept or anarcanarchyd arrisarisetually we are seeing that now, sin only works as long as one is still hanging on to the notion of GOD taking notes and ready to pass judgement. With Karma you judge yourself re-incarnate and pay you dues, it is far more complicated then that however. It is the way we learn, the way we evolve. Once you get a clearer understanding of Karma, sin falls apart.

Ok, with sin we have police to handel thoesthose don't care, we see that now, as peolppeopleaway or just don't believe the fairy tales, they stop belibelievingHeaven/Hell. With a clearer understanding of Karma you would not need the police, you have internal police (as the Dali Lama would put it).
With Karma you have a good chance, with sin chances are slim. EVEN IF GOD was someone taking notes he leaves little chance of going to heaven. This makes no sense as he is suposupposedbe all loving and compcompassionate. There is little room for comacompassion love with sin. Yes they will try to tell you there is compassion but only for the Saint.

Do we burn for our sins? Yes, but not etereternallyd not becubecause commanded it. It is because at death we do our review, we are our own judge and jury. We are totatotallyartial, there are no excuses or shershirkingresoresopnciblitythis review. We pass our own judgement. Then we design our next incarnation, to right the wrongs and learn. At least this is the ideal and most follow that ideal. PersPersonallyging myself scares the hell out of me. I do not like the posspossibility I would not want to be judged by me. Also there are instances where a spirit does not get it and spirals down (devolves). What is in store for them how does the universe get the bastards..... EvenEventual energy that is that soul or spirit disperses, there is no entity at that point (eternal life for the sin crowd). Where the burning comes in is when we die we can not physphysicalksmokearrets, drink, take heriheroinere is no crack. I took extrextrememples to make a point. But we can be addicted to other things such as a mate, TV, candy, ANYTHING. When we can't get it but still can see it, prehperhapsll it what ever the longing and want creacreatesriction that makes a heat. So that is where the Hell idea comes in. Once the craving is "Burned off" we then go about setting up our lessens for the next time.

Like I said once understood it makes more sencsense the way around. At this time cilicivilasionon its last leg so you have a lot of people collected, at each end time this being the 4th going to the 5th, you get a lot of souls/spirits that just don't get it. You have that on the Astral also. This end time is one of the grand ones (maybe they all are) where the universe is cleaning house, big time. There is a war going on on the Astral right now, when it is done there it is our turn. Once the universe clean up the energy then we have a period where enlightenment is more difficult as every is so close that they can't see the forest for the trees. In our time it is obvious that we are farther form that but it is easier to move on because it is more obvious that something is very wrong and we have gotten off track. The hindus have it all figured out in the Ugas (sp) I believe it is all explained in the Book of Manu (something like that). I have not put much effort into Hinduism but I have had it explained by one. I'm not sure if this is correct but I think this is the text you can read it on line (I have not by the way).
http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/manu.htm

So when we are at a cercertain level of understanding the concept of Sin is needed, once you gain understanding (over many lives sometimes) you get closer to the truth which is Karma. As you take on responsibility you move up with responsibility comes abilities. You could call it power however I have noticed as one gains the understanding and the aabilitiesone is less likely to use it.

For example (at the risk of offending some, NOT MY IINTENT Weather magick. Very popular, there is a rational for it. Fairly easy to do. I have done it myself. I did it once in the ppresentsof my teacher. Whoooo did I get a lecture. Basically on did I think I was smarter then the very planet I live on. Taking rain for my Basil means no rain for someone elses flowers. Also there is a control problem which could be ddisastrous You get the idea. So yes I could do it, but once all things were considered, in all honesty I could not. As stated my teachers taught "power" but also tried to lead us to wisdom.

One time I went to ooneof the Wiccan sabbths it was summer. I live in FL. We KNOW rain here, and we have more llightningthen most places on the planet I think we are 2nd. A storm blew in We have small (comparatively) storms that do more damage than Hurricanes. As the storm mover over the circle it started to rain. You could see the deluge coming. The HP said he would open the circle for anyone that wanted to leave before it really started to come down. Most stayed. I did, WE GOT DRENCHED. We also completed the ceremony (not wiccan so forgive me if it is called something else). They certianly could have moved the rain elsewere, they could have made a logical rational for doing so. There were near 50 people there, many of them could have moved the rain and lightning together it would have been as easy as stepping over a crack in the sidewalk. No one even suggested it or I did not hear it, if someone did they were out voted.
They did the right think, the ceremony was quite impressive lots of energy raised I have a lot of respect for these people. They since moved the place where they held their group functions and I have lost touch.

An understanding of the Aascended Masters is a help also. Which is some what included in the reading suggestions in the previous post.

Again this is what I have come to understand. What is true depends on the level of understanding. Example I was reading my Moms encylopedia one day, (she is 86) the encylopedia was one from her college days printed in the 30's the atom was the smallest unit and could not be split. We now understand that CConsciousnessit the smallest unit and the atom can unfortunately be split. With Knowledge comes responsibility, with this we have done only a fair job.

Krell

uhhh, i see you are very wise krell (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ac42.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/spoton.gif)