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Infinitus
post Jun 20 2008, 01:59 PM
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I believe the truth about sin, however controversial it might be, should be known.

People from different religious tenets tend to complain about how sinful human beings are.
They say things, like "Adam ate the forbidden fruit and separated us from God".
They say things like, "man and God cannot exist together unless sin is removed, as God is holy".
They also say things like, "It's mans fault, that there is evil in the world"
They say, "God is perfect, and purely good"

I believe that as harsh as it might be, God is the real sinner. God is the reason we could do evil.
God is the reason humans have free will. God is the reason detestable things take place in this
universe. If it wasn't for God's evil, things like "babies falling from buildings, cars wiping out in
bad weather, hurricanes, tsunamis, earthquakes, etc" wouldn't happen, in any circumstances.
God is the reason behind demonic activity. God is the creator of all things good and evil,
and therefore is responsible for all human evil. We have him to thank for all our life's woes.

If human beings were responsible for evil in this universe, we'd have to be some pretty bad dudes.
Why is it human civilization, is always accepting blame for the faults of God?

It's not our fault that God chooses to create a universe full of moral ambiguity.

Blame the Most High God!

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post Jul 6 2008, 05:29 PM
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I guess where I get kinda confused is by trying to "blame" God for all the wrong in the world. I think we try to personify God in certain ways to try to make sense of his nature and place in the universe. In doing so I think we actually detract from the true nature of God. First off God isn't a "he". In reality nobody, not with mere human intellect can ever truely know what God is. There just isn't a way to completely understand God. What is God to me, is not to someone else. And still some choose to say he doesn't exist at all. I certainly do not believe there is this Gandolf looking figure sitting high above the clouds looking down on the world. I also don't believe there is a little imp with a red suit, pitch fork and pointy tail that calls him satan either. In order to blame God for anything we would need to understand what God, what he is capable of that we can even blame him for doing. In my opinion the only thing we can blame God for is the creation of the universe.

Then I don't think God "chooses" to do anything. Rather his existance is such that he simply brang into existance all that ever was and will be and all possibilities inbetween. I don't think God made evil rather that evil is merely a perception of certain actions guided by an intelligent force. Certainly we can agree that while something that may seem evil to one person, does not seem that way to another. But I think we can also agree that certain actions are universally seen as evil by humans - child abuse, especially sexual abuse is considered universally an evil act. Even in the animal kingdom as well. For example a female lion that kills other lion cubs will be exiled from the pride. Yet a male lion that kills the cubs of another rival male is not exiled. Like wise while we humans see sex crimes against children as universally evil, perceptions of such acts still differ. An example of that is marriage. Around the world, even in developed core nations, it is not uncommon for a grown man to get married to a 14 year old, or even younger. Here in America we would call that pedophillia. And in the case of true pedophilla the purpetrator, from the own perception, rarely sees what they do as wrong. True pedophiles may realize that sex with children is legally wrong but they still would likely not make the moral connection. If the majority of world were pedophiles then sex with children probably would not be seen as evil. Thus what is evil also depends on who says so.

But back to blamming God for all that is considered evil. I really don't think it is fair to blame God or point the finger at him because of his very nature. It is just so hugely vast and incomprehensible. God certainly is the cause for all that is in the universe. He created everything but did he create evil? Or simply make a reality where evil could come into existance on its own, because of the very nature of existance?

Then when it comes to sin and the truth about it, for me, sin is simply breaking "moral" rules laid down by the church. Reality is, in my view, the bible does not reflect THE word of God. I think to even attempt to grasp the true word of God one's head would explode perhaps. No I think the bible is merely a human interpretation of the word of God and it is not the only word either. I think in every serious religion there is some echo of the true word of God. And sin is simply one more interpretation - one more way to try and understand our existance. Only sin specifically applies to a moral context and the belief that God has morals at all. One of the biggest flaws in any religion that attempts to establish a moral code is that it assumes the source of that code is from some divine entity. Yet anything capable of creating an entire universe in all its vastness probably does not deal with morals at all as such a force is simply too far advanced to even need morals. Hence creating a universe in which to start neither good nor evil exist yet they evolve from the very nature of the universe itself.


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Infinitus   The Truth About Sin   Jun 20 2008, 01:59 PM
shamanwizard   I believe the truth about sin, however controversi...   Jul 1 2008, 09:01 PM
Velarius   I believe the truth about sin, however controversi...   Jul 2 2008, 08:15 AM
Infinitus   it is not to judge my friend but it is not wise to...   Jul 3 2008, 04:17 PM
shamanwizard   I agree with the fact, that we should try to live ...   Jul 3 2008, 04:23 PM
Krell   Ok, let me try to explain GOD and sin from the pre...   Jul 4 2008, 10:11 AM
Vagrant Dreamer   Krell makes good points. I like to think of things...   Jul 4 2008, 04:21 PM
Krell   Krell makes good points. I like to think of things...   Jul 11 2008, 09:00 AM
valkyrie   Dogs, cats, monkeys, dolphins, whales, manatees, a...   Jul 11 2008, 06:23 PM
Vagrant Dreamer   "Humans may think we're all high and migh...   Jul 12 2008, 12:46 AM
Krell   Some animals have more or less awareness than othe...   Jul 12 2008, 08:00 AM
valkyrie   now that the level of awareness can be weighed aga...   Jul 14 2008, 10:12 PM
shamanwizard   Ok, let me try to explain GOD and sin from the pre...   Jul 4 2008, 04:23 PM
Krell   This is all very interesting, but I already read t...   Jul 5 2008, 08:25 AM
shamanwizard   Spell checker sucks I hope I cought all the typos ...   Jul 5 2008, 07:28 PM
hungwe   I believe the truth about sin, however controversi...   Aug 5 2008, 09:11 AM
Ilmatar   Are good and evil real or do they only appear, as ...   Oct 16 2008, 08:34 AM
Velarius   Are good and evil real or do they only appear, as...   Oct 17 2008, 02:53 PM
Trimorphia   This is a fascinating post. I think what the OP is...   Nov 3 2008, 07:11 PM
Praxis   Sin is a short-hand religious term that simply mea...   Nov 17 2008, 05:23 PM
Jenfucius   [b][i]Sin is a short-hand religious term that sim...   Nov 17 2008, 07:13 PM
straightcurl   I believe the truth about sin, however controvers...   May 7 2009, 01:50 PM

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