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asimon2008
post Jul 11 2008, 02:03 PM
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First off, it all started with a website called www.truejesus.org. It was a website about the Jesus Bloodline. They had a DNA test to prove if you're a descendant of Jesus Christ. The funny thing about it is that I passed the test. Ever since that day I had to put aside my childhood beliefs and take upon a conscious on things that are against my beliefs an try to put some of these things to the test in different ways. For some reason, I believe my guardian angel made me find this website and another website. I prayed alot to speak to my guardian angel to know about all the secret mysteries that have been kept from me in this world. I came across a website saying that their was a language called Enochian of which demons and angels spoke of. Other than that I heard and read that the man named Jesus is also Satan.( If someone says that's wrong then I'll except it). I also want to know if their is more than one god. The truth about the serpent in the Bible and the horned god. I wan to know who is the god that we should turn to and how can I speak to my guardian angels' Judhiel and Seheiah( I have a problem on pronouncing these names) by using Enochian language. I also wan to know if their is away to bend reality by using this butterfly effect of chaos or other ways. I found this website:http://freespace.virgin.net/ecliptica.ww/book/wishingwell.htm. I have all the time in the world to understand. Whatever you do if you anything that can get me back to heaven and all the right path then please post.

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Vagrant Dreamer
post Jul 11 2008, 06:02 PM
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Er, first thing's first, I would do as much research from as many sources as you can to get a clearer picture as to a: whether or not this website could possibly have any verifiable DNA of Jesus the Nazarene, because so far the jury is still out as to whether or not he even existed, much less had children, etc. Everything on the subject so far is conjecture or very biased archaeology; then b: maybe have a friend send in a sample as well - it could be one of those things where they tell everyone that they're a descendant of Jesus... for all sorts of reasons beginning with money and ending, unfortunately, with making a bid for world change in a very odd and roundabout way. You cannot trust everything you read on the web.

Secondly, no one can give you most of these answers you're looking for. If you want the story of Jesus, read up as much as you can and form your own opinions - there are no hard facts to correlate any stories. Half of the new testament gospels show enough contradiction to be considered falsified documents, and almost all of them were written after the death of Jesus, not during. Suffice to say, the so-called facts are shady at best.

Then, consider that Jesus was not the first person to be - supposedly - resurrected, or crucified, or to heal people, or be born of a virgin. In fact, these things are basically staple elements of mythology before a certain period of time in cultures all over the world. This either invalidates 'Christ', or grants a larger perspective on the subject that has nothing to do with bloodlines. Either is a positive step in my opinion.

Finally, One God, Many Gods, No Gods - there is no truth or fiction in any of those. Your connection to Divinity is personal and no one can make a decision on it for you. Seek out those answers in yourself. If you're looking for arguments for and against each stance, that's one thing. But there is no secret mystery truth - that I know of at least, hah! - regarding God. You are an expression of a Divine force incomprehensible to any created being. Whatever is required for you to reach the next step in your evolution is what you are going to discover when you search for those answers yourself - they are all true, and none of them are true. If you need many Gods to inspire your forward on your path, or to truly connect with particular parts of your Divine Nature, then there are many Gods. If you need One God to focus your devotion and faith towards a higher aspiration than yourself, then there is only One God. If you need an absence of God in order to understand the fundamental living nature of existence, or for that matter the dire importance of your actions as mechanics in a very complicated machine in the physical, then there is No God.

Even the most enlightened of sages, who may know of all of the experiences their soul has had over many lifetimes, know that they cannot know YOUR experience. It is completely personal, and it is the most intimate exchange between yourself and Divinity. You do not need the blood of Jesus in you to discover or follow this natural urge we all have in some form. All you need is to turn your ears inward and listen to your own inner Voice. It echoes from the place where your soul arises from the unified Divine Nature underlying, connecting, and penetrating all of existence.

You also do not need to learn enochian to speak with your guardian angel. Your Guardian Angels speak to you all the time whether you are listening or not, and the hear you whether you know you are speaking to them or not.

Very lastly, everyone bends reality all of the time, proactively and retroactively. It's the way consciousness interfaces with physical reality and selectively experiences the Karmic currents necessary to our evolution. Try changing the quality of your thoughts in one direction or another - positive or negative - and see how it affects not only your present and future, but your past as well. Write down a series of memories, put them in an envelope, and do not think of them for 90 days. Over that 90 days make a conscious effort to change your thought patterns for the better or, if you prefer, for the worst. Then in 90 days write down the same memories. Are they the same? You may be surprised. But, how you remember the past is how the past happened for you, it's real - if affects your actions, your thoughts, your interactions with your own consciousness and the rest of the world around you. Interesting stuff...

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P.S. Having just seen the website, I'm even less convinced. These words have a universal significance to almost all english speaking people - and an equal significance to people in any culture in their own language. Don't fall for crap like this. You don't need these people to tell you that you are special, or that you have some great potential within you, to know that it's already true no matter who you are. Besides that, this recording they give you has a horrible quality of sound. Just words themselves don't do anything, it's a combination of pronunciation, intonation, rhythm, frequency, and the combination of the spoken words with the mental activity going on in conjunction with them. Just listening to a poor quality recording and repeating what you hear wouldn't have an effect beyond something vaguely hypnotic - assuming you're susceptible to hypnosis in the first place.
Take responsibility for your own potential, don't let some douche make you think you have to have fancy genes to access it.

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post Jul 11 2008, 07:39 PM
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Jesus is the Devil!

Well, maybe not, but saying so can make teeth grind, especially among people with boundless devotion and little or no Biblical knowledge. While I wouldn't recommend bothering people for the fun of it, tossing around a few of the following Bible mysteries tends to spin the heads of the less-informed fanatics. I stumbled across these things years ago and have enjoyed sharing them on occasion.

Isaiah 14:12 refers to Helel ben Shahar or "Son of the Morning" in his tirade against the King of Babylon. This is a title for the planet Venus, seen to rise like a bright star at dawn and then become soon obliterated by the Sun's light. This "morning star" is named Lucifer in the King James Bible, and many sects of Christianity interpret the passage as a reference to the spiritual character of the Devil.

Revelation 22:16 offers a different story. At the very tail-end of the Bible, Jesus has vanquished all of his enemies and is ready to admit his loyal followers into his arms for their final reward. Just before he claims them as his own, he makes a short speech, which ends "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."

It could be interpreted as Jesus having fooled everyone, but revealing himself as the Devil at the last minute when it is clearly too late. It's not like there are no other warnings.

After all, Psalm 146:3 says there is no hope in the Son of Man, which you might recall Jesus also claimed as his own title in passages like Matthew 18:11 and elsewhere.

When pressed for justification about his demigod status in John 10:30etc, Jesus refers his audience to the Psalm 82:6 wherein it is said "ye are called gods and sons of god, but ye shall be judged like men." In other words, if those pagan deities are worth being called sons of gods, why not Jesus too? About the only Old Testament character who is happy to proclaim divinity among men is the Serpent mentioned in Genesis 3:5 who is also identified as the Devil by most Christian sects.

I regard the entire idea of Jesus as a myth based loosely on a person now long-dead, not much different from any other pagan demigod. It is suspicious, in light of Old Testament warnings against anyone who should come along to revise or alter the Sinai covenant, or set himself up as equal to God and receive prayers and worship, that Jesus would be found doing exactly that. No wonder the Sanhedrin wanted him killed!


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