Sigilisation In Sleep, Inducing sigils as mantras in sleep- thought Options

Hello everyone,

While I do not post here often, I am a recurring visitor of these forums, since I love how here is one of the few places that deal on a more serious note with magick and all it's aspects .

I read a post, a while ago, here, about sigils, and mantras, and how it's easier to fire a sigil, or implement it into the subconscious with mantra meditation, and also read Peter Carol's texts on the subject .
Also read some texts/books on consciousness and subconsciousness and so forth ...


Today I finished reading a text book called Theatre of Magic, which was a nice read and a question came into my mind ....

What if you were to record the mantra of the sigil, with a low sound wave maybe ( like some i-dose sounds ) and let it playback while you are asleep ? I am very curious yet skeptical to try this yet, but wouldn't it help put the message into the subconscious with greater ease ? and not deal with the conscious conflict ? In sleep, it would surpass it !? and get that sigil to manifestation, without the need of gnosis ?

Lot's of questions, I know, I am curious if anyone here knows more on this subject, or rather, on the subject of suggestions induced during sleep, for I feel this would be a possibility of getting the message rather easy ... the part of me that is skeptical though is, that I have seen some trance states, and some induced suggestions, like in people being hypnotized and I am a bit afraid of some eventual consequences with doing this, since our guard is off, the message may get across, but I am afraid of other consequences of this !? ( what could they be ? )

I would really love to hear, other's thoughts on this subject.

I don't recall reading something along those lines, if it has been posted before I am sorry ... Thank you for reading and looking forward to your thoughts

This post has been edited by =xz=z: Jul 11 2008, 03:35 PM

Hmmm, interesting replies, in my mind, I was thinking something along these lines ...

from the book : Practical Sigil Magick - Frater U.D. I read about Mantrical Sigils, and yes I agree that sigils are usually different drawings, graphical representation and not a mantric sound but, it was a method described in this book that could also be used to activate a sigil, plus read about the state of mind you could enter when repeating a mantra and so on, so I think there is something here . And you could fire up a sigil and then use the repeated mantra during sleep ...

The main "problem" with sigils, as I kept reading, is the problem with our conscious minds, and trying to surpass it and get the message to the subconscious, for this being needed to enter a gnostic state of mind and "planting" that massage, and then forgetting it/stop thinking about it and let the "coincidence" happen .

Since when we are asleep, our conscious is more or less asleep and our subconscious is more "awake" ( !? ) plating the mantra of that sigil during sleep would be allot easier and surpass any conscious conflict, for it would not require a gnostic state ... and then comes my dilemma, if this is really how it is, and if what I am saying is really true, about the conscious and subconscious during sleep ....

It's true that I am kind of getting farther from the original effort, and so forth, but maybe a combination of both, fire a sigil at night ( well that's when I usually do my work ) and then when sleeping putting the mantra on a repeat play until waking up ...

I am skeptical as well about all this, but for whatever reason I find it could work, but also afraid of consequences of our vulnerable state during sleep, and what may lead to happen with such an experiment .


At the end of the day it's chaos and everything is permitted true, and I guess I will have to try to be sure, but not until I do some more close reading .

Gotta research more about this, and contemplate on this subject, thank you for the replies (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)