Enochian Magicians Options

Enochian magick is one of the flag ship magical systems since it was received via Dee and Kelly. Currently there is more enochian material published and available than at any point in history, with more titles constantly coming out. Here at SM we are proud of our diverse forum options and experienced members, although I have noticed our enochian forum has lagged lately.

I am calling for any and all enochian magicians we may have on these boards, people studying the system, using it, and people who are old hat at it, to come and begin discussions here and try and revive this forum.

Move, therefore, and show yourselves!

I thoght I was answering questions for someone who was seeking MY answers (based on my own experiences). I didn't realize I was speaking to a "debunker," who isn't interested in answers from anyone and is more interested in expressing his / her own opinions on the subject. I know you have said before, ",,,I would love to see new alloys, medicines, and other materials discovered by magicians." For most of us who are into magick (which I have been for longer than you have been on this planet) we do so for spiritual reasons, not material (or, physical).

I still stand by what I said regarding Enochian magick; I will also state that I am of fairly good health (7 years after my motorcycle accident) and pretty good state of mind. My abiltity to "cope" has been tested many, many times, and I do quite well under pressure. I found your post to be rude and impolite, and will not respond to your posts from here on out (arguments ad hominem are the most impertinent kind).

Light, Life, and Love.



Neshamah

This post has been edited by Neshamah: Jul 28 2008, 06:51 PM

I am struggling to find any part of my post that could be considered an ad hominem argument. You seem to have been rather easily offended by something in it though, and this is needless. It may be worth the time to restate certain points for the sake of clarity and soften your hastily-ruffled feathers.

Bad things happen. Sometimes life's ups and downs (particularly the downs) can make people go into a frenzy, lose touch with reality, fall into depression, or otherwise go nuts. All sorts of things can lead to these conditions. Lost loved ones, failed business or personal enterprise, strenuous competition, and many other unpleasant or chaotic situations can provoke a freak-out like you are describing. Other people, or even the same people in a different frame of mind, might take the same events in stride.

You say that your psychotic break (or whatever) was so terrible that you had to be hospitalized and eventually drugged. Aside from the Enochian magic, your relate the event to a condition of extreme exhaustion. Perhaps another person, or yourself at some other time in your life, might have found a more efficient way to deal with the events and thereby avoid the mental health ward. Plenty of other people (though admittedly not myself) have had a similar breakdown as a result of magic, and in all cases I believe it is reasonable to say that the psychological condition of the magician is more of a factor than the inherent danger of the occult system.

If it were otherwise, and the Enochian system is actually a "dangerous" system in a way that others are not, I would expect some example of a difficulty peculiar to Enochian magic and which might be commonly associated therewith. The sort of trouble you have described, however, is not far off from the sort encountered with other systems and so again I say it is unreasonable to promote Enochian as any more dangerous than any other valid magical practice. Since you have such vast experience and know almost everyone involved in the subject, if there were any such thing as a unique danger of Enochian magic, you would be one to know of it, but as of yet nothing of the sort has been described.

On the other matters, it would be nice to hear from a practicing Enochain magician who has read the Geoffrey James book and can compare what it says to other approaches. Is his interpretation so far from Dee's works? Is a great deal "missing" there which is found in other works, and if so, where?

From what I gather from James' book, Dee's Enochian magic is almost entirely materialistic very much like the other 14th to 17th century grimoires. The magician calls supernatural entities for the purpose of uncovering treasures, learning arts and sciences, and applying the same toward ingenious medicines or other observable effects. Aside from the piety of the magician, which is not particularly stressed by the spirits, from where is the heavy focus on spirituality derived?