QUOTE(Xenomancer @ Oct 1 2008, 03:53 PM)
Amazing. I never thought I could find this much help before.
You've given me the topic for an interesting conversation, so consider it a fair trade. (IMG:
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QUOTE(Xenomancer @ Oct 1 2008, 03:53 PM)
Invocation, so I gather, is for inspiration. Then what would evocation do? You say effects wouldn't be permanent, but what can be done to make them permanent, or if I must, who of the aether has such a capable influence over humans?
As far as permanent effects are concerned; I believe that Raphael did help me heal quite dramatically...but I think Vagrant possibly leans towards what I think was also Bardon's interpretation, namely that if you ask spirits for information on how to do for yourself, ("how to fish," to quote the analogy) it lessens the risk of detrimental pacts developing than if you simply ask the spirit to do something for you in entirety.
It is quite possible that Raphael could entirely heal you himself, but by asking him how you can administer your own treatment, you maintain your independence. I'm inclined to believe that with a being of his particular nature, that wouldn't necessarily be an issue in this specific case, but Vagrant may feel otherwise...and truthfully, it
is more desirable to avoid taking the risk if possible.
As for the difference between invocation and evocation (I think; someone please correct me if I'm wrong):-
Evocation is a scenario in which a spirit is placed externally to yourself/your body and forcibly constrained in a specific location. (Customarily the triangle)
With invocation, conversely, the spirit is allowed to freely approach you in close proximity and move as near as it needs to in order to be able to communicate with you, and in the case of a spirit with which you are particularly intimate and comfortable, voluntary posession (channelling, essentially) may occur.
Godforms in particular, it is said, generally insist on the latter, invocation, if communication with them is sought. In their case, evocation and imprisonment within the triangle is seen as a grievous insult, although in the case with contemporary Godforms, it is also usually assumed that a mortal practitioner would be unable to constrain them in such a way anyway, and would certainly incur a dangerous level of anger from them if they were to try.
That being the case, my own experience with Raphael technically would have been considered an invocation rather than an evocation, as I did not draw circle or triangle, and he thus was not constrained. I suspect he and his fellow angels would consider such measures entirely unnecessary for us to deal with them, and also an insult.
This post has been edited by Petrus: Oct 1 2008, 12:53 AM