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post Sep 30 2008, 07:29 AM
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I have been having thoughts of conjuring a spirit or entity for sake of asking for my mind to stop buzzing so much. I have not been able to sleep very much, and my condition is slowly wasting away as I trudge through each day exhausted from a night of feeling like there is a static storm zapping around in my head. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/badmood.gif)

Is it a wise idea to make a conjuration ritual to summon an entity known for helping the health and well being of humans for this purpose? And if so, who? I am thinking of one who is known for medicine, perhaps a polite request for the presence of Hermes. Any comments or suggestions?


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post Sep 30 2008, 11:53 PM
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There are three big reasons why employing the angels and archangels in this way is more practical than 'evocation' - 1. you learn more, and nothing an angel can do for you is permanent except teach you; 2. the communication is clearer, more organic, and can often continue for far longer than an angel can remain manifest, which is a little like etheric blood bursting temporarily out of the arteries of creation; 3. You will develop a rapport with the angel that you will not develop through 'classic' evocation, and over time it's function will become a more permanent element of your consciousness.


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The very same. Incidentally, it turns out his planetary correspondence is Mercury, which being Geminian yourself, would work perfectly for you, I expect.


Amazing. I never thought I could find this much help before.

Vagrant, as valid as your input is, when it boils down to it, I seek more a certain effect than I do an inspiration. I have had plenty of inspiration, but my motivation to work it has been low. I need to plug in. Hook up. Charge. Re-energize.

What you named in point 3 in the quoted paragraph did remind me, however, how I managed to integrate the Raziel mechanic into my consciousness. The ability to see things with the eye of wisdom has since been a valuable asset, and I managed to see this truth through His eyes, on matters of the heart:

"Only a hardened heart is capable of breaking. If one wishes to have a heart reforged, make it melt!"

Now, I will recap what input I am gettting from everyone here: The ritual is a good idea, but in the end, I get the most out of inspiration rather than from evocation.

As great as it is, as 'organic' (as Vagrant put it) as it is (I know firsthand the Organic feel of Raziel's wisdom, so I know where you are coming from), I still need a straight up shock applied to blockages that I cannot pull off myself. Inspiration is not what I seek. I seek power, and I will openly admit to it. I seek the power to heal me and place me in a state of being that I find to be balanced for my soul. I just wanted to know if this is the right entity to "plug into."

Invocation, so I gather, is for inspiration. Then what would evocation do? You say effects wouldn't be permanent, but what can be done to make them permanent, or if I must, who of the aether has such a capable influence over humans?

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QUOTE(Xenomancer @ Oct 1 2008, 03:53 PM) *

Amazing. I never thought I could find this much help before.


You've given me the topic for an interesting conversation, so consider it a fair trade. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

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Invocation, so I gather, is for inspiration. Then what would evocation do? You say effects wouldn't be permanent, but what can be done to make them permanent, or if I must, who of the aether has such a capable influence over humans?


As far as permanent effects are concerned; I believe that Raphael did help me heal quite dramatically...but I think Vagrant possibly leans towards what I think was also Bardon's interpretation, namely that if you ask spirits for information on how to do for yourself, ("how to fish," to quote the analogy) it lessens the risk of detrimental pacts developing than if you simply ask the spirit to do something for you in entirety.

It is quite possible that Raphael could entirely heal you himself, but by asking him how you can administer your own treatment, you maintain your independence. I'm inclined to believe that with a being of his particular nature, that wouldn't necessarily be an issue in this specific case, but Vagrant may feel otherwise...and truthfully, it is more desirable to avoid taking the risk if possible.

As for the difference between invocation and evocation (I think; someone please correct me if I'm wrong):-

Evocation is a scenario in which a spirit is placed externally to yourself/your body and forcibly constrained in a specific location. (Customarily the triangle)

With invocation, conversely, the spirit is allowed to freely approach you in close proximity and move as near as it needs to in order to be able to communicate with you, and in the case of a spirit with which you are particularly intimate and comfortable, voluntary posession (channelling, essentially) may occur.

Godforms in particular, it is said, generally insist on the latter, invocation, if communication with them is sought. In their case, evocation and imprisonment within the triangle is seen as a grievous insult, although in the case with contemporary Godforms, it is also usually assumed that a mortal practitioner would be unable to constrain them in such a way anyway, and would certainly incur a dangerous level of anger from them if they were to try.

That being the case, my own experience with Raphael technically would have been considered an invocation rather than an evocation, as I did not draw circle or triangle, and he thus was not constrained. I suspect he and his fellow angels would consider such measures entirely unnecessary for us to deal with them, and also an insult.

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Xenomancer   Conjuring For Healing   Sep 30 2008, 07:29 AM
Fio Praeter Humanus   Raphael of Tiphareth is my go to guy for this sort...   Sep 30 2008, 09:15 AM
Petrus   Raphael of Tiphareth is my go to guy for this sor...   Sep 30 2008, 01:35 PM
Vagrant Dreamer   I agree as well, although it sounds like there is ...   Sep 30 2008, 01:50 PM
Petrus   I would suggest rooting out the nature of the iss...   Sep 30 2008, 05:10 PM
Xenomancer   You beat me to it, Petrus. Vagrant, I thank you...   Sep 30 2008, 09:24 PM
Petrus   Vagrant, I thank you for your great advice. Befor...   Sep 30 2008, 10:04 PM
Vagrant Dreamer   Those are certainly some good points on the evocat...   Sep 30 2008, 11:35 PM
Vagrant Dreamer   Vagrant, as valid as your input is, when it boils...   Oct 1 2008, 01:51 PM
Xenomancer   Therein was a response that made the difference ...   Oct 1 2008, 03:18 PM
Petrus   On an added note, I would like to say that after ...   Oct 1 2008, 09:19 PM
Xenomancer   I really appreciate all the great input. If there...   Oct 4 2008, 04:22 PM
valkyrie   didn't you look at that various grounding tech...   Jun 16 2009, 10:01 PM
Xenomancer   :wizard Arise! Arise, dead thread, arise!...   Jun 16 2009, 11:30 AM
plainsight   White noise generator?   Apr 7 2010, 07:20 AM
teopiltzin   You could try evoking San Lazaro or Babalu-Aye fro...   Nov 17 2010, 07:42 PM

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