The Truth About Sin, Sinfulness Options

I believe the truth about sin, however controversial it might be, should be known.

People from different religious tenets tend to complain about how sinful human beings are.
They say things, like "Adam ate the forbidden fruit and separated us from God".
They say things like, "man and God cannot exist together unless sin is removed, as God is holy".
They also say things like, "It's mans fault, that there is evil in the world"
They say, "God is perfect, and purely good"

I believe that as harsh as it might be, God is the real sinner. God is the reason we could do evil.
God is the reason humans have free will. God is the reason detestable things take place in this
universe. If it wasn't for God's evil, things like "babies falling from buildings, cars wiping out in
bad weather, hurricanes, tsunamis, earthquakes, etc" wouldn't happen, in any circumstances.
God is the reason behind demonic activity. God is the creator of all things good and evil,
and therefore is responsible for all human evil. We have him to thank for all our life's woes.

If human beings were responsible for evil in this universe, we'd have to be some pretty bad dudes.
Why is it human civilization, is always accepting blame for the faults of God?

It's not our fault that God chooses to create a universe full of moral ambiguity.

Blame the Most High God!

This is a fascinating post. I think what the OP is talking about is truly profound, and a sign of a very mature way of spiritual thinking. At the core you could say is the questioning of 'first cause' - since everything must emanate from first cause, doesn't that make god responsible for everything? This is a deep realisation and one which I suspect can't be trivially answered - or satisfied - with mere pedantries. I think anyone who has wrestled with the concept of sin or evil (and let's go beyond mere semantics here) knows that this is a big deal.

I haven't read every single response on this topic but note that there are quite a few replies from the 'relativist' point of view. Perhaps 'sin' is a Judeo/Christian concept. Perhaps 'karma' is a Hindu/Buddhist concept. Actually, as one of the posters has already pointed out, these are quite different things. I suspect it's because the former implies an established sense of guilt and shame (due to the inherent nature and pervasiveness of the Judeo-Christian thoughtform) and the latter much more of a personal, actionable mode of decision making - without any overriding sense of an omnipotent punishing deity (which is, quite understandably, reassuring!)

But this is big stuff. Really. You can try to provide solutions from a Hindu/Buddhic worldview but a Judeo/Christian upbringing makes the concept of sin a bit trickier to just dissolve in an instant. Possibly because - just by virtue of being human - there is already something terribly wrong with you (according to Old Testament teachings). This is not the same concept as espoused by eastern teachings at all. It might sound naive to some but the age-old question of 'why does God let bad things happen to good people?' is astonishingly heartfelt and meaningful.

For my own very personal part, I have to say that I never paid too much thought to the concept of 'sin' itself until one quite significant day. And on that day I saw that the true 'meaning' of sin was everything that I'd been, said, thought and done which was not from the heart. Strangely enough that day was Good Friday - I 'repented' in the Christian sense - and I'm not even a Christian! I wasn't even aware of anything from a cultural or religious perspective! But the esoteric implications were significant. I saw deeply, in my heart of hearts, that repentance and sin normally carry the heavy burden of judgement borne of guilt only in the biblical sense. But the openness of total love seemed to me to render all this unnecessary, and actually an impediment to true release. We are not born to suffer or to pay for anyone else's 'wrong doing'. There's a lot more to be debated on the cosmology and metaphysics of all this I'm sure, and I bet there will be lots of disagreements, but this is a serious issue I feel. And, as Kevin Spacey says in the movie K-Pax: "Every being in the universe knows right from wrong, Mark......"

This post has been edited by Trimorphia: Nov 3 2008, 08:28 PM