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post Dec 21 2005, 06:18 AM
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Dualistic thinking is very relevant to people following spiritual paths of any kind, since it involves believers who claim to see and experience another existence and others who having not experienced anything they would describe as other-worldy, disregard these claims and it therefore divides people into two camps.

The language used is also a form of dualism as it separates entities into good and bad and places into discrete areas thus: Heaven and Hell.

Is dualistic thinking useful and a good way of hanging ideas on hooks for further exploration or does it lead to extremes of thought that lack balance and settle people into positions that are hard to find their way out of?

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post Nov 29 2008, 08:26 PM
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For a while in the 80s and early 90s, many of the books I read (and spiritual teachers whose lectures I attended) pretty much uniformly demonized duality. It was somewhat of a fad to do so, and became quite commonplace most notably in "eastern" material. Duality was presented, and used, as a kind of whipping boy for being the supposed source for all conflicts in human experience. It was ironically very akin to how Satan often is blamed as the source for all conflicts in human experience by some Christian sects. In contrast, non-dualism was upheld and given the highest accolades.

The crusade against dualistic thinking never made sense to me - because dualism/non-dualism is, well, dualistic! Yet that basic point seemed to be (and often still is) missed the majority of the time by those who still rail against dualism while supporting non-dualism. Most tried to dismiss that point by attempting to say that the duality of dualism/non-dualism only is an pseudo problem that merely stems from using this language (because this language is dualistic) to discuss the issue. However, that dismissal remains erroneous - and the point still stands - simply because it is not the relationship of the words themselves that is the issue. Instead, it is the relationship of the meanings (the meanings that transcend the words, and thus transcend the inherent mechanisms of this language) referenced by the words dualism/non-dualism that reveals and affirms the very duality they so valiantly strive to escape.

In the end, one fact that they tend to make provides me with enough room for some resonation: conflict is indeed the problem. Conflict which takes the form of combat (fighting, dueling, etc...), and which originates from fear - not from differentiation based upon duality.

To put a far finer and sharper point on this by coining a word of my own here:

duel-ity (combat, fighting, etc...) is the problem - and fear (not dual-ity, differentiation, distinction, etc...) is its source.

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Radiant Star   Dualistic thinking   Dec 21 2005, 06:18 AM
Sabazel   I strongly disagree with this point of view. Duali...   Dec 21 2005, 12:34 PM
mediocracy   And for those of us living in the real world ra...   Dec 21 2005, 03:21 PM
A_Smoking_Fox   i do not agree mediocracy. The things you refer t...   Dec 21 2005, 05:08 PM
Zahaqiel   I also disagree with Mediocracy in part. For inst...   Dec 21 2005, 09:50 PM
chaoscrowley37   We need to come to some understanding of what we v...   Dec 22 2005, 12:00 AM
Sabazel   Interesting discussion is forming here. @medicric...   Dec 22 2005, 02:03 AM
chaoscrowley37   This is where I think your reasoning becomes flaw...   Dec 22 2005, 02:17 AM
Zahaqiel   Your posts are littered with dualistic thought whi...   Dec 22 2005, 02:34 AM
chaoscrowley37   Actually, you're falling for a fallacy of equ...   Dec 22 2005, 02:42 AM
chaoscrowley37   I'll make it simple to know what we are discus...   Dec 22 2005, 03:11 AM
mediocracy   I am sure ut is fun to debate and counter-debate t...   Dec 22 2005, 03:25 AM
mediocracy   Have I Moderated your posts in any way, shape o...   Dec 22 2005, 03:36 AM
Zahaqiel   Med - he's more saying that you have an integr...   Dec 22 2005, 03:44 AM
chaoscrowley37   I'm not trying to be spiteful, I am honestly t...   Dec 22 2005, 04:12 AM
Sabazel   My apologies to Mediocracy. I was not attacking yo...   Dec 22 2005, 04:37 AM
Sabazel   The teachings are flawless in most cases. Howeve...   Dec 22 2005, 04:42 AM
Radiant Star   Thank you Sabazel, this topic has moved on apace s...   Dec 22 2005, 05:06 AM
A_Smoking_Fox   changing ones point of view is almost impossible. ...   Dec 22 2005, 05:59 AM
Sabazel   In order to change your system of judgement you mu...   Dec 22 2005, 09:32 AM
A_Smoking_Fox   this entire topic is about duality. The duality of...   Dec 23 2005, 01:20 AM
Sabazel   I'm not offended in any way. I see my own flaw...   Dec 23 2005, 02:37 AM
A_Smoking_Fox   Wonderfull, i was afraid i was being a bit to hars...   Dec 23 2005, 10:58 AM
Sabazel   In control of my ego? Well in a lot situations I a...   Dec 23 2005, 12:28 PM
A_Smoking_Fox   hehe, i agree with many points. our problem with ...   Dec 23 2005, 02:06 PM
esoterica   Dualistic thinking is indeed a flawed result of ...   Dec 24 2005, 10:05 AM
Sabazel   Fox it isn't so much the language/sound barrie...   Dec 27 2005, 05:21 AM
alia   That’s a very interesting discussion. From my poin...   Feb 11 2006, 02:34 PM
GunpowderPerfume   Based off all I've read from this thread: It...   Feb 11 2006, 06:55 PM
GunpowderPerfume   haha actually, dualistic thinking in itself is a p...   Feb 11 2006, 06:57 PM
alia   It depends on how you approaching a concept. For e...   Feb 11 2006, 08:32 PM
A_Smoking_Fox   dualistic thinking is not the same as dualism. and...   Feb 12 2006, 07:11 AM
GunpowderPerfume   ... :roflmao: For some reason A Smoking Fox, the ...   Feb 18 2006, 02:39 PM
Sabazel   You don't have to choose a side, because lif...   Feb 21 2006, 03:39 AM
A_Smoking_Fox   by all means, do choose to stop beathing. If you f...   Feb 21 2006, 05:20 AM
bym   Greetings! I hope that this discussion is actu...   Feb 21 2006, 10:05 AM
A_Smoking_Fox   Its not the result that matters, it is the path wa...   Feb 22 2006, 10:46 AM
Radiant Star   I think since I started this thread and we didn...   Feb 22 2006, 11:00 AM
Sabazel   Well I personally found what I was looking for in ...   Mar 7 2006, 06:02 AM
Praxis   Dualistic Thinking / Non-Dualistic Thinking = Dual...   Nov 19 2008, 08:20 PM
valkyrie   lol. yes. im not sure we can escape dualism. since...   Nov 22 2008, 12:50 AM

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