Pazuzu Is Out Of Commision For Awhile, Don't summon him. Options

Please do not attempt to summon or call Pazuzu for awhile. My friends and I shut him up in the Bottomless Pit with Divine Assistance, and the gods have promised that in return, a cure for AIDS is on the way. Please let the sleeping dog lie for the foreseeable future so that we can get this vital medicine out into the world. If you absolutely insist on working with him, use the ritual for communicating with a dead god (I think its in the Urilia text).

Thank you for your patience and cooperation.

While posting the link in response to the OP might have been a bit facetious on my part (timing - I stumbled across the thread almost immediately after reading the article), I do believe that this line of research is the most promising, and blatantly obvious path to eventually curing HIV, and probably a host of other ailments. Some of the most significant advances against disease in the modern age have come from exploiting immunities that developed in nature (the vaccine, the antibiotic). The goal of actually transferring an observed resistance from one person to another directly has the potential to be a much more fruitful endeavor than the multi-billion dollar boondoggle that the last few years of research have amounted to.

These guys weren't just in the right place and right time to do this, this seems to be the direction the research is going now that they've completely given up on a vaccine:http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/02/hivtreatment.html

The fact that its actually worked in one person, at least to the extent they can credibly say it has worked, is a major milestone for this research, and its come very early compared to other attempts. And to be fair to the OP, he did say the cure would just be "on the way." I'm confident it now is.

I agree that it is on the way, but a cure is an inevitability. We simply need the time to do the research and learn more about the subject matter. I cannot accept an inevitability to be proof of magical effect. If I do magic for rain and it begins raining the moment the final movement of the ritual is completed, then I can accept that as magical effect - if it rains one week later, I cannot accept that as magical effect, unless I asked for rain at that particular time.

The research mentioned in that article has been ongoing for two years, and is only just being reported because of these findings. The immunity has been known about for more years than that, although it is not a complete immunity - even people with both genes can still contract the rarer, less pandemic strains of HIV. Using stem cells in this manner has been on the table for a long time, however in the US at least, stem cell research is severely limited due to Christian preference on this soil.

So all that I am saying is, let's give appropriate credit where it is due, keep an objective view about magic that is balanced with our subjective experiences. Reason and Faith in balance - the holy grail as far as some people are concerned - is important with magical practice, otherwise we never learn what does and doesn't work, we overlook the reasonable answer for the magical one, and become egotistically inflated.

I'm not knocking your interest in the subject, I'm glad you stumbled upon that article, I might not personally have found it otherwise, and I agree that any success like that is a great milestone, and helps us learn more about the problem as a whole. But, I (and hopefully many others) have been following this issue closely for many years, and cures for diseases are the only things I give money to when I can. Every year, we find little pieces of the puzzle. I'm glad they found another one, but I don't believe that it has anything to do with this particular magical intention, except to the degree that all of our collective hope, prayer, meditation, and magic ultimately effects our development as a race as much as it may or may not.

peace

I agree that it is on the way, but a cure is an inevitability. We simply need the time to do the research and learn more about the subject matter. I cannot accept an inevitability to be proof of magical effect. If I do magic for rain and it begins raining the moment the final movement of the ritual is completed, then I can accept that as magical effect - if it rains one week later, I cannot accept that as magical effect, unless I asked for rain at that particular time.

From a magickal perspective, there probably is an entity associated with the AIDS virus, though, and for some reason I don't think it's Pazuzu, either. I do however think it is moderately powerful, but less powerful than Pazuzu, and also a lot less ancient.

(I use the term AIDS because I'm old enough to remember that that is what it was originally called, and truthfully I feel as though HIV is a politically correct euphemism, for some reason)

To me though, magick/spirit basically deals with the realm of causes, in the sense that for as long as the AIDS entity/spirit is around, it is potentially going to block any attempts to cure the disease it represents. We probably also need to consider the possibility that, as has already been discussed, the AIDS spirit has higher spiritual authorisation to actually be here and do its' work, in order to provide catalyst for people to become more sexually responsible.

To me though, that would be the first step towards subsequently finding a cure in mundane terms, so I do think the OP had the right idea in a sense.

a) Perform divination to determine whether or not we are working with divine will in combatting the spirit.

b) Once we know we have a green light, develop a ritual to either imprison or disrupt the spirit. We might also need to put together some related workings to remove any entities associated with other mundane blockages to finding a cure; unwillingness on the part of pharmaceutical companies, and so on.

I do not hold the perspective that either magickal or mundane efforts in isolation are necessarily sufficient to cause problems. Rather, the two tend to be concerned with problems in their respective spheres. However, since astral space is, as I have said, generally held to be the realm of causes, it makes sense to me that we try to make sure that the astral angle is clear before we attempt mundane effects in such areas.

Using stem cells in this manner has been on the table for a long time, however in the US at least, stem cell research is severely limited due to Christian preference on this soil.

The need for prudent ethical considerations in regard to biomechanics is a point on which, to some extent, I concur with Christian groups, Imperial. Ethical considerations must be taken for related activities, for many of the same reasons that ethical considerations must at times be taken when creating servitors. We are, in essence, talking about creating new life, and we cannot suppose that when we do so, using it in the manner that we would a mere machine, is in any way appropriate. The risk of dehumanisation and ultimately, our annihilation as an entire species is very real, and present if we were to do so.

So all that I am saying is, let's give appropriate credit where it is due, keep an objective view about magic that is balanced with our subjective experiences. Reason and Faith in balance - the holy grail as far as some people are concerned - is important with magical practice, otherwise we never learn what does and doesn't work, we overlook the reasonable answer for the magical one, and become egotistically inflated.

This is wisdom.

I'm glad they found another one, but I don't believe that it has anything to do with this particular magical intention, except to the degree that all of our collective hope, prayer, meditation, and magic ultimately effects our development as a race as much as it may or may not.

That is why I suggested either divination or possibly some other form of introspection first, to attempt to determine divine will in the matter. If AIDS and its' related entity have divine authority to continue their work, all of our possible workings will be impotent.

This post has been edited by Petrus: Feb 17 2009, 02:55 AM