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post Apr 25 2009, 07:36 PM
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dmt is produced by the pineal gland when the person is under insane emotional stress, like if you are trapped under a car

and i think of jesus on the mount, doing the 'father let this cup pass from me' prayer-fit

i always wondered about that cause he knew his future, so why the fit?

perhaps it was to willingly induce massive dmt production?

so, if you work yourself into a fit might also produce it?

i think i'll try working myself into a prayer-fit over swine flu or something

if you've already done this or something like it, could you please give the conditions and results here, thanks

also if you know of other methods, such as hyperventilation


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post Apr 27 2009, 05:32 AM
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i know at least Strassman has speculated that dmt may be released in smaller amounts during sleep and be somewhat responsible for dreaming, particularly rem. alien abduction experiences was another area he unexpectedly found himself studying also, after so many of the volunteers in his dmt studies reported contact with similar strange entities

when speaking of the pineal gland as the third eye and seat of the soul, i remember he made an interesting note - in Tibetan buddhism it is considered that it takes 49 days for the soul to reincarnate into it's next body, which is the same duration it takes for the pineal gland to develop in the human fetus - interesting coincidence!
to consider that dmt truely is some kind of spirit molecule does make a lot of sense. it's perceptively inactive in the daily lives of most people, only released at time when it facilitates transition between planes - birth, near death and death, and at all the times we find a way in between (spontaneously if we're lucky!).

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What I would like to know is if in these dream states if my body does not release pleasure hormones as well. That might explain why some of these dreams are so intense and ecstatic


i'm no scientist but i believe that would be the case. even if dmt is confirmed as central to the previously mentioned states then there's sure to be a whole lot more to it (there always is isn't there?), i imagine a cascade of events involving a number of neurochemicals, there's probably more of them than we know now. full dmt release could be the climax of a series of events involving endorphins, serotonin, dopamine etc, then the 'not-so-peak' mystical states may not reach the top but still be consciousness altering...that's how i picture it anyhow (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused012.gif) i have read that it's been proven that twirling (ie dervish) and music both cause an increase in dopamine, and waking up feeling refreshed and energised is a sign of replenished dopamine stores...so in essence this is the long way around of me saying yes i reckon there would be multiple pleasure hormones being released and fluctuating during sleep and no doubt affect dreams (IMG:style_emoticons/default/13.gif)

but it does bring me to another point i was going to make (if you can bear with me), that even if dmt is responsible for a number of these peak states then it doesn't necessarily mean it's the only 'key'. without even going into the non-drug methods, other substances like mescaline and salvinorin which are very different to the tryptamines still arguably provide access to the other side, so why not other endogenous biochemical conditions? unless we wish to go on to say that all of said drugs in some way cause the release of dmt in their peak if they provide such an experience?

i've also considered that perhaps spiritual training is a form of 'priming' the neurological conditions, like moving up through the biochemical cascade i mentioned earlier, which induces release of and/or makes available dmt sources eventually. eg meditation practice = improved mood, improved awareness and mental function etc = 'improved' neurochemistry = better receptivity of dmt effects/more likely to induce dmt release ...but i'll stop yapping for now!

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