ouch! i'm not even christian and that stung....!!! i really don't think Christianity is any less or more given to mysticism, exaggeration, and superstition then any of the other religions out there, but it certainly has its good points too.
at my old church...they still serve donuts every Sunday (IMG:
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"I feel that the Cosmic Christ Consciousness is a universal logos and that he is an avatar embodying a higher light quotient than humanity can manifest or endure"
Amen sista!!!
although...i think Pan has made it clear to me that he is the essential human Connection with that 'light quotient' you are talking about...rather than an alien god simply representing a bridge we can never cross. Whoever he is, I firmly believe we will cross that Jordan...hehe...when we come to it (IMG:
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"The Fall represents mankind's and natures fall into materialism"
on that note....i always thought that the story was in allusion to mankind's graduation into harnessing the land for their own purposes to the expense of their animal connection to the Earth. think about it...fruit, harvesting, knowledge, sweat of the brow, painful childbirth, alienation from the True garden of Eden. and where did mankind's agriculture and cities originate, in the earliest periods? wasn't it between the two rivers, in old Iraq preceding Mesopotamia, the true cradle of life, yes? i mean...weren't we wanderers before? But once we settled down, we 'clothed' ourselves (metaphorically speaking) in 'sin' and supposedly became like God in that we knew right from wrong and that we were the dominant species. Right and wrong, to me, is a misconception birthed by the luxury of long sitting civilization. There has to be some sort of reasoning and law to govern the fast multiplying body of humans, who otherwise demonstrate their natural tendency to 'wander' like lambs. how convenient to come up with 10 commandments and a Leviticus full of 'Do not eat pig'.
the allusion of Christ being killed and resurrected, sounds awfully suspicious to me....like how we harvest our grains.
i strongly suspect that smash's reference to Jesus of Nazareth's immortalization through the way of the Dionysian mysteries (as well as various other mediums), at least regarding the natural evolution of mythology (ignoring the facts of rude history or even, divine will and intervention) among the masses (also disregarding the highbrow machinations of the ecumenical council or direct catholic or political intervention), is the most natural and popular progression. keep in mind, Jesus was also a rival archetypal image to older figures such as Hercules and Bachus and probably just as easily accepted by the population. out with the old, in with the new...in true Roman fashion.
As his modern persona appears and survives these days, it cannot possibly be in conjunction with his original personality or message.
period.
That does not mean there is nothing to be learned from the text, from the evidence of his life left behind, or even from his literal wisdom...but I personally feel that it would be like adding spit to a waterfall contributing further literal or biased interpretations of the man's life philosophies, when his message has already become "a climate of thought" rather then anything specific or historically accurate.
Within his words and within the numerous and sometimes conflicting documentations of his life, there lies a vast hidden resource of sociological and psychological study to be done.
In review of both old and new testament's development and application i believe there can be found a strong testament to human endeavor.
This post has been edited by valkyrie: May 11 2009, 11:31 PM
Our Lord Jesus Christ, Lord or Man?
Kinjo Our Lord Jesus Christ Jan 29 2006, 11:15 AM
Jan 29 2006, 11:15 AM
