Yay! Or Nay! To Drugs?, pros and cons of using mind altering drugs for magical purposes Options

Forget right and wrong....do drugs help or hinder the magical process????

as loosely defined by our dear friend Wikipedia (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) a drug is:

"any substance that, when absorbed into the body of a living organism, alters normal bodily function"

I've narrowed it down to 'mind altering' in the description column but by no means do I wish to exclude even minor drugs like aspirin or even caffeine...because we all know that these ultimately affect the 'state' in which we perform our various agendas.

i have so many questions that could be answered.

how do drugs, (and which drugs) help the process?
is it necessary to use drugs to obtain an experience, or certain experience, for some people?
do drugs hurt or help ALL spiritual practices, or only certain ones? which ones are these?
which drugs are better, which drugs are worse for magick purposes?
do some of you use drugs ONLY during a ritual...or do you uses it for recreational purposes as well?
if you use drugs to induce certain experiences, do you feel like every time and every experience is valid?
How can you distinguish true from false, and what is the consistent mentality behind accepting what you experience?
do drugs open up gates, or do they tear down the walls of your mind, or do they close doors?
what is the theory behind the spiritual quality of drugs (or perception thereof)?

i am eager to hear what you guys have to say!!!!


(ooops. look like there was already a post like this. sorry guys. i have no idea how to unpost this...nvm haha.)
I like the topic, so I'll keep it up unless the author strenuously objects or a mod rules otherwise...-Bym

This post has been edited by bym: May 13 2009, 11:27 AM

depends on the drugs lol - i use pharm methods sometimes, and a lot of herbal and natural methods, and have tried just about everything there is, but i'm still looking for that 'magickal meth' or whatever chemical or cocktail that sends the magical abilities into overdrive, yet leaves the mental state more-or-less stable - everything that i have tried so far has just disconnected the spirit from the body, sort of an oobe, etc, which mine already is (born that way) - i am looking for liquid kundalini, not a way to talk to god or spirits in a less filtered way cause i do that already (born that way) - dmt (which can be produced en masse by acupuncture or just eft tapping) was close but only close

last week i tried some khat, where you chew the leaves but it was sort of dried out (i called it pussy khat since it was a bit weak for my taste), and acupuncture induced dmt flood was better - i had some visions and neat stuff, but no extreme heightening of magical abilities (not looking for physical super-abilities), and the hangover/wearoff was nasty

"I want a new drug
One that wont make me sick
One that wont make me crash my car
Or make me feel three feet thick

I want a new drug
One that wont hurt my head
One that wont make my mouth too dry
Or make my eyes too red

One that wont make me nervous
Wondering what to do
One that makes me feel like I feel when Im with you
When Im alone with you

I want a new drug
One that wont spill
One that dont cost too much
Or come in a pill

I want a new drug
One that wont go away
One that wont keep me up all night
One that wont make me sleep all day

One that wont make me nervous
Wondering what to do
One that makes me feel like I feel when Im with you
When Im alone with you
Im alone with you baby

I want a new drug
One that does what it should
One that wont make me feel too bad
One that wont make me feel too good

I want a new drug
One with no doubt
One that wont make me talk too much
Or make my face break out

One that wont make me nervous
Wondering what to do
One that makes me feel like I feel when Im with you
When Im alone with you" - 'i want a new drug' by huey lewis and the news

Better without than with, end up dependant on the stuff no matter what it is. (excuse the rhyme)

Do like a bit of Mary J, took it in large doses as a youngling stopped for a while and now it gives me panic attacks... all too close to demonic, the paranoia pressing for my worse fears to come true... terrible experience... like I could convince myself to have a heart attack, each beat driving the fear deeper pushing my heart rate up. Would like to smoke it, ride the paranoia and attempt a banishing but its an unpleasant experience one I'd rather avoid.... shame as I enjoy taking it, adds to the mistique sitting there with a sheesha pipe meditating smoke bellowing everywhere but I have to say goodbye if its likely to drive me insane.