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Intelligence and Will
Does greater intelligence result in a stronger willpower or increase the effectiveness of one's magick?
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No [ 12 ] ** [70.59%]
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The_Seeker
post May 19 2009, 08:47 PM
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What do you think?

Personally, I'm not sure. But in my experience there isn't any reason to suspect that a more intelligent person is more capable of doing Magick. I'd say Magick comes from the spiritual essence of a person, and that intelligence and Will are not related.


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bym
post May 20 2009, 01:45 PM
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LOL! I wasn't pointing fingers! I find myself sliding in that direction with the encroaching old age and medical infirmities...
Fighting words! That's about all I can fight with nowadays! *grin* But I'm not all that intelligent either *sigh* so....where does that leave me?

I've never thought of you(all) as being the derogatory side of 'armchair' though it does tend to cause some to bristle. Lifes too short. Find magic where you will. Looking down at people is not a good thing (*gasp*)...this isn't or needn't be a pissing contest. Again, life is too short! I'm glad we have our sense of humor, I always get a chuckle when I look in a mirror! Be well! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/egypt1.gif)


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post May 21 2009, 02:58 PM
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Intellectualizing can be detrimental to creative flow


damn right it can! i find that many smarter than average people, while equipped with fast problem solving skills... with a sensational grasp on logic and keen eye for detail, are not necessarily better at overcoming self-inflicted mental obstacles (i would argue they have a harder time) and are limited to a smaller range of thinking because no one is there to take them out of their thought patterns and mental habits or they simply can't relax their rationalizations. but that is only one bone i have to pick with high IQs. the smarter a person is, the more alienated that person feels from those who surround him...at least, in theory. it doesn't have to be this way but it often is. for me, connection is essential. but then again, i practice earth based magic. it may be different for someone involved in Enochian magic i dunno.

my twin brother is a genius, but he constantly says to me that i will get farther in life. why? because he is not motivated. i am. whether he is less motivated because he is smarter is questionable...however, in the magical arena...he is far too rational to be a mystic and therefore he does not invite that kind of energy or experience into his life, as readily as i do. also, he argues that because intelligence often results in a stronger sense of Ego, he has a more difficult time assimilating into the Source (or whatever accumulative god power each of you believe in) and it is to his personal detriment that he pursues further knowledge. My hypothesis?: An over-abundance of intelligence solidifies Ego, and Ego holds a person back from enlightenment.

so i guess a really good question is does Ego defeat or enhance Will Power. are they the same? i do not think they are. Ego is a false god, but Will Power comes from the simple act of existing.

But to marry these two elements would make for exceptional magic! -V

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post May 22 2009, 11:31 PM
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QUOTE(valkyrie @ May 21 2009, 03:58 PM) *

so i guess a really good question is does Ego defeat or enhance Will Power. are they the same? i do not think they are. Ego is a false god, but Will Power comes from the simple act of existing.

But to marry these two elements would make for exceptional magic! -V


I'd say that the Ego can gather magical power. I think of it as energy that a Lhp would use, as in the loss of Self results in positive or light energy and the Ego, the fortification of Self, gathers in negative or dark energy. I'm suggesting that a strong ego would have powerful magic that harmed others and strengthened yourself, while the loss of Ego would result in strong "white" magick. I do believe that one could harness both.


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The_Seeker   Intelligence And The Strength Of One's Will   May 19 2009, 08:47 PM
T. A. Belmont   What do you think? Personally, I'm not sure....   May 19 2009, 09:17 PM
Goibniu   I'd also have to say no. Generally I've f...   May 20 2009, 12:07 AM
Xenomancer   Current trends in psychology show that high intell...   May 20 2009, 01:54 AM
Darkmage   I'm firmly in the 'maybe' camp. The ab...   May 20 2009, 01:57 AM
bym   Greetings All! I love this topic! You have...   May 20 2009, 06:02 AM
Xenomancer   HEY! Whaddaya tryin' to say there!??...   May 20 2009, 11:42 AM
bym   LOL! I wasn't pointing fingers! I find...   May 20 2009, 01:45 PM
Ankhhape   What do you think? Personally, I'm not sure....   May 23 2009, 06:42 AM
Vagrant Dreamer   I would need a working definition of what is cons...   May 23 2009, 09:12 AM
iampagan   I answered 'yes'. Basically, I believe (an...   May 25 2009, 01:38 PM
Shimi   What do you think? Personally, I'm not sure....   Feb 21 2010, 06:01 PM
Dooley   To clarify my vote, I don't believe that intel...   Feb 21 2010, 08:43 PM
VitalWinds   I voted yes. I believe there is a general correlat...   Feb 21 2010, 10:54 PM
FraterEST   Sorry misread the question, I meant to click ...   Apr 10 2010, 10:19 PM
Xenomancer   After some time, I want to change my vote, seeing ...   Apr 11 2010, 07:47 PM

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