Where Does Magic Come From? Options

I have done quite a bit of energy work, and im starting to get confused.

Where does the energy come from?

Psionics says directly from the mind.

Chakras says from below, from nature,

Middle pillar has energy directly from the divine involved.

I've heard of energy coming directly from yourself.

so i'm asking.


WHERE DOES IT REALLY COME FROM?

ALL THESE PLACES? JUST ONE?

WHATS THE DIFFERENCE?

IS THERE ONE?

"where does magic come from?" - nice koan! - thanks!

where does electricity come from? - electromagnetic like a generator or chemical like a battery - both work on an atomic level to strip off electrons and send them through the wire

a infrared grill or stove heats through the use of invisible light, vibrating the atoms - so does a microwave, using invisible radio frequency energy to vibrate the atoms

psionics (energy work) is using the body's energy to vibrate

magicians vibrate

magic is the same - a vibration that affects stuff

google 'string theory' for a good starting point

in the void there is no magic

a thousand cultures each have their own theory, are they all wrong, or all they all right, or does it matter if you recognize that magic just 'exists'

This post has been edited by esoterica: May 6 2009, 05:26 AM

woah

way over my head.

quantum mechanics....

so basically you are saying that there is no real way to know, and that it doesn't matter?


Personally i disagree.

But we are entitled to our own ideas.

but im asking personally, when working with energy where do you draw the energy from?

The world,

the mind?

The "Divine"

Your body?

Thanks for the post btw ankhape

woah

way over my head.

quantum mechanics....

so basically you are saying that there is no real way to know, and that it doesn't matter?
Personally i disagree.

But we are entitled to our own ideas.

but im asking personally, when working with energy where do you draw the energy from?

The world,

the mind?

The "Divine"

Your body?

Thanks for the post btw ankhape

Magic is an overarching generalization of a group of phenomenon not specifically classified scientifically in any empirical manner. Once defined, classified, experimentally verified, etc., it is no longer (classically defined as) magic. So asking 'where does magic come from' is pretty broad. Magic is change, the act of Magic is change in accordance with will (all change is in accordance with a will, though not necessarily just your own - such as divine will, etc.). Therefore the question 'where does magic come from' is erroneous - magic comes from existence, it is existence.

Having specified that you want to know where the energy comes from, this is a different question that asking where magic comes from.

The world, the mind, the divine, the body - energy can be drawn from any of these places. We all have a different way to understand energy work and as Azereth said, energy follows thought. This also means that wherever you are intending to draw the energy from is where it comes from - although, to varying degrees of efficiency depending on your degree of openness and connection to this source. This is part of the reason there are so many different paradigms. That doesn't mean that there's no way to know where you are personally drawing energy from, however.

Myself, for instance, I work energy from a paradigm that recognizes a universal substrate that literally permeates and composes everything, tying the various levels of existence together. Just picking that paradigm is not enough, although it can be a start. After coming to some understanding of how you connect to and fit into existence, you have to begin looking at it genuinely through that lens. There is an existentialist obstacle there for most people - how do you know you're looking through the right lens? The fact of the matter is that you don't and can't know, at least not so early on. Your paradigm will grow and develop on its own over time, and you should remain open minded throughout in order to allow that philosophical evolution to occur. Over time, you develop a firmer understanding and experiential basis for your paradigm, and your work will become more effective. You do have to start somewhere though, and preferably somewhere that is supported by your current degree of understanding.

Some people prefer to draw from an elemental paradigm, seeing 4 or 5 elements, either hermetic or eastern. Others prefer to imagine energy as coming from various deities who represent the various modes of energy. A kabbalist might draw energy from the 32 paths. Runes offer 24 modes of energy. Tarot can offer a variety of modes as well. There are 7 planets.

All these things are different in my opinion because there is only one Essential Force, one Primary Causitive Principle, which is structured into various modes of energy according to material patterns, psychological patterns, and spiritual principles developed ultimately from material and psychological patterns in action. Which came first is like the chicken and the egg question. We can use those symbols and the energetic modes they ultimately represent to draw energy that is already structured, into actions directed by our intention.

Everyone who does energy work, draws that energy from somewhere, and can define where it comes from. It may not always be the same from one person to the other, but ultimately all that matters is that the intention is moving energy. At first, however, it needs anchors at both ends - a place to get energy from, and a place to move it to. Generally most practitioners that I know have become more abstracted over time. I think that it's possible that in most cases the beginner needs to have something more solidly defined because this is how we understand things best at first.

Peace