Where Does Magic Come From? Options

I have done quite a bit of energy work, and im starting to get confused.

Where does the energy come from?

Psionics says directly from the mind.

Chakras says from below, from nature,

Middle pillar has energy directly from the divine involved.

I've heard of energy coming directly from yourself.

so i'm asking.


WHERE DOES IT REALLY COME FROM?

ALL THESE PLACES? JUST ONE?

WHATS THE DIFFERENCE?

IS THERE ONE?

woah thanks for all the great replies guys.

especially vagrant dreamer.

you've got me interested now, because it sounds vaguely like what i have "generally" belived...

but explained down to a science.

i dont know what half of that meant... but let me try.

Magical energy if thats what it can be called,
comes from perspective and belief,
which is why things such as religeous magic is easier,
because of the ammount of existing belief.
but overall, whatever system you practice will yield results
...

other than that it was mostly intelligent sounding gibberish to me
something about a lens
or paradigm?

This post has been edited by davisxmonster: Jun 25 2009, 10:04 AM

woah thanks for all the great replies guys.

especially vagrant dreamer.

you've got me interested now, because it sounds vaguely like what i have "generally" belived...

but explained down to a science.

i dont know what half of that meant... but let me try.

Magical energy if thats what it can be called,
comes from perspective and belief,
which is why things such as religeous magic is easier,
because of the ammount of existing belief.
but overall, whatever system you practice will yield results
...

other than that it was mostly intelligent sounding gibberish to me
something about a lens
or paradigm?

In essence paradigm = religon. However, a paradigm doesn't have to be religious.

Other than that, yeah you got the essence of it.

Jenfucious: All I mean by dividing magic and science is that 'science' is that realm of phenomenon which are understood and explained, or at least theorized on from an empirical point of view based on other known scientific laws. Metaphysical laws ultimately encompass those physical laws, however there is no technology which utilizes specifically the realm of energy manipulation and generation of change that we attribute to the subject of 'magic'. Crowley is not the first to consider magic a 'science', personally I consider myself a neo-hermetic scientist more than i could consider myself anything else. However in that sense science is simply meant as a 'field of knowledge and techniques', rather than the empirical decayed sciences of modern man.

This is not to say that no scientist recognizes the process of or the worth of 'magic', or even attempts to develop some scientific idea of how it functions - just that there is no hard factual equation describing mathematically the qualities and forces at work in any action of 'magical' nature. That doesn't mean there never will be, just that we do not have instruments which give us adequate information by which to develop those equations effectively. Observable does not just mean 'seen with the eye', but measured in some way comparatively for the purpose of amassing sufficient data to understand the phenomenon in a predictable fashion in which raw mathematical theory can be used to accurately predict the outcome of some action.

peace