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post Aug 15 2009, 09:52 AM
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i've been asked to look into something

there is yes, and there is no (dualistic world, ya)

and then there is the queasy land of maybe, not solid

they are looking for something solid, something to put their feet on in the land of maybe

if you tell a child 'maybe', they will assume it means either yes OR no

but what they are looking for is a place of yes AND no, or perhaps a place beyond yes and no, a place of NOT yes or no

interesting...2 (dualism) into 1(singularity?)

any thoughts? (i'm thinking dimensionality, perhaps the 4th, or would that generate a plethora of yes's and no's, and the answer would be to drop back to the 2nd dimension to get a land of solid maybe - like a physics 'normal' of two forces?)


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post Aug 15 2009, 03:17 PM
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i've been asked to look into something


Okay

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there is yes, and there is no (dualistic world, ya)

Yes what? No what? Dualistic world...? As for dualistic worlds, that is a debatable topic of discussion. Some see two worlds of possibility, others see multiple. What does that "ya" at the end of that mean?

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and then there is the queasy land of maybe, not solid

Not solid? Do you mean to say, "unestablished decision?" A "not-solid maybe" decision could be construed as such.

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they are looking for something solid, something to put their feet on in the land of maybe

WHO is looking for something "solid(assuming, 'Established')?" Feet on in the land of maybe? What? You just said they were seeking "solid" now looking for "maybe?" Or is it "Liquid?"

Please stop. My head is hurting. This is starting to sound like word salad!

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if you tell a child 'maybe', they will assume it means either yes OR no

Hello? Left field? You forgot something here.

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but what they are looking for is a place of yes AND no, or perhaps a place beyond yes and no, a place of NOT yes or no

Both yes and no simultaneously?

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interesting...2 (dualism) into 1(singularity?)

I think I know what you are trying to reach here....

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any thoughts? (i'm thinking dimensionality, perhaps the 4th, or would that generate a plethora of yes's and no's, and the answer would be to drop back to the 2nd dimension to get a land of solid maybe - like a physics 'normal' of two forces?)

I won't play dumb. I do vaguely know what it is you are talking about (or at least, I can try and intuit it). You are looking for a possibility of looking at a certain way to ascertain whether or not there is a mode of thought incorporating both 'yes' and 'no', and not just one or the other.

Conditions already exist for that. It's called, "Condition." Example: You ask your boss for a raise. Your boss says, "on one condition (yes, but no, based on the fact that a certain criteria has to be met), finish this next project." Upon completion of the project you get a raise.

What you seek can only be conceptualized with the factor of time. A yes can turn into a no, and vice-versa, overtime due to certain conditions. The idea that it is both simultaneously is in a higher dimension of thought, but manifests in the lower dimensions, here, by an effect of metamorphosis overtime.

On another note, please slow down. I had similar thinking patterns at one point in time. My mind was more or less (metaphorically) like a spaceship, making short-jumps to many points in a quick succession. This is dangerous, as the 'warp core' can 'overload!' Stick to 'impulse speed' for a bit, so you can get a better bearing of your 'vector' and your 'coordinates.' Rapidly 'jumping' like that is dangerous. You may end up somewhere you don't want to be, and cannot figure a way to get out.


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post Aug 15 2009, 11:58 PM
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Consider Light - both a wave, and a particle. It is both at all times, but functions as one or the other (and sometimes both) depending on the situation and the angle it is looked at from. Yes and No might be compared to Materiality (yes, manifest) and non-materiality (no, do not manifest) each of which is relative to another universe. What is 'yes' in universe 1 may be 'no' in universe 2, etc.

Dimensionally, the only place where yes and no exist simultaneously is in the Primum Mobile, before separation, before time and space, before choice. Yes or No, implies a necessary outcome for a choice factor. Even Maybe implies a necessary outcome as yet undetermined. As xenomancer implies, maybe is a conditional statement. It suggests that there is not enough information, action, or impetus yet for a Yes or No to manifest. Therefore maybe is premanifestation, or potentiality. So, wherever premanifestation and potentiality are, that is where maybe is, and where Yes and No exist at the same time, before passing the curtain where each much manifest into it's own reality/universe.

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