Paimon Problems, He just won't go away. Options

As I might have mentioned, I did an astral evocation of Paimon 4 or so months back. It was to bind some problems in a younger brother's behaviour. In terms of Paimon showing up, it definitely worked. I had mental verbal response from him, and exactly the kind of arrogance regarding the offering that Imperial mentions in his LiveJournal account.

For about two months after that, although for the most part I got the result I wanted, (Jeremy is still mildly obnoxious, but nothing I can't handle) things went fine, to the point where I forgot about the evocation.

Then about two months ago, I temporarily moved in with a guy in Melbourne who had emotional instability problems. One night I had the thought of re-summoning Paimon in order to bind this guy's anger, entirely randomly...and Paimon came back. The binding of that guy's anger though, for the most part didn't work. He was still unstable, and still yelled at me and was verbally abusive at times.

After that, however, I started having problems. The first thing I noticed was, whenever I'd try and do Japa, (mantra repetition) I'd suddenly be hit with paranoia about how similar Kali's (my patron) imagery is to some of the imagery that I've seen of Baphomet. I apparently still have psychological baggage where Satanism is concerned, and so for a little while, that really threw me for a loop.

The way I solved that problem though was by forcing myself to really focus on Baphomet for a few minutes at one point when I was being hit with that, in order to convince myself once and for all how different they were. I started getting back some really black energy which literally nearly caused me to vomit, and immediately stopped that. I then focused on how Kali has only ever made me feel positive, and gave license to depart, and for the most part, that problem has been solved since.

The other area however, where Paimon has really been attacking me hard, is the Faustian angle. There have been times where I have degenerated into a seething mass of fear and paranoia about the state of my soul, and I even actually had a fairly vivid dream only a few nights back where a supposedly "psychic" woman told me that a) I was going to die due to being stung by a massive swarm of bees the next day, and b) that I was going to Hell for having evoked Paimon. She was particularly mocking and vindictive; it wasn't a good experience.

The way that I've been mediating that is by continually repeating to myself either, "Tat Vam Asi," (that thou art) or simply, "my soul is my own." To some extent that works, but I'd be lying if I said it has completely. What really sent me into a psychological tailspin about a week ago though was when I read someone quoting Bardon on pacts on another forum.

In case anyone is wondering whether or not I've been banishing, yes, I have. I banish, and/or give License to Depart. Either one will work, but generally only for 24 hours, and then he's back. I made offering to Kali three or so days ago, and prayed to her about the problem, and felt that I got back the message that he would be taken care of. For said three days I've had peace, and so I gave a mental sigh of relief, thinking that the problem was finally solved.

When I woke up just a few hours ago, however, I felt a distinct presence in my bedroom. No accompanying thoughts; just a sense of unease in the pit of my stomach. I mentally gave Paimon License to Depart...and the feeling immediately went.

So how do I permanently get rid of him? I'm wondering if the real problem is the fact that aside from the initial bread and beer during the first evocation, I've never given him offerings of any kind. He actually asked for one a couple of times when I asked him to bind that former housemate's temper, but I still didn't, because I had thought that by the terms of Solomon's covenant with the spirits, I didn't need to. I also drew the Seal of Solomon during the initial evocation, so even though it was informal, I considered him bound by those terms. I had a particularly strong mental image of him attempting to break through a large astral/mental projection of that seal which was between him and me, during the evocation, but he was unable to.

I also, however, haven't made a permanent version of the seal, and according to someone else I've spoken to on another forum, that is what you must do in order to appease Goetics if they successfully fulfil a request, even though I never saw any mention of needing to do that for the sake of reward specifically, in the Lesser Key, although I know you are meant to make permanent seals for the purposes of the evocation itself. So I had been under the impression that you don't actually have to reward them in any way.

So...any advice? I know Bym is probably going to chew me out for this, and I also acknowledge that I deserve it, but at this point, I just want to know how to get rid of Paimon for good.

Hi Petrus,

I've been working with Paimon,and with due respect to other more experienced magickians I have a different approach. This guy is a King, I didn't had the same impresion that you or Imperial Arts had, and no, I don't think that -according to the KOS covennant- we don't have to give anything.

Just think that you are in a position of power and can help someone get out of the muddle, afterwards the guy says to you I don't care about you and I'm not owing anyhting from you, so get out of my face! Personally I won't be in a good mood after that.

So, as I mentioned, he is a King, he came down to help you, you should have given something in return that he would like, and above all you should have shown respect. He was very kind with me, at the same time stern and lofty, and I showed respect, not fear, not love, simple respect to his high office, the same as if I were talking to a CEO of big corporation and trying to close a deal with him, we are not peers precisely, I would make clear my position and be formal and respectful but assertive.

By the way, he opened many doors to me and I forget to pay!!!! So, I receive the kick at the back end, so I called him again and settled the matter, and will keep working with him.

I'm not satanist or christian, just in case, I just try to use common sense with these guys and get what I want and give what they want, of course according to what I'm willing to give and agree upon.

My humble advice is, call him again apologize for your negligence of not giving anything in return in the past, reach and agreement or else make a proper offering, give thanks for his help and that next time you'll be more carefull, and dismiss him statiting "until I call you again".


That's my humble, non-expert opinion and advice.


Regards,

Marcus

This post has been edited by markus: Aug 19 2009, 07:27 PM

My humble advice is, call him again apologize for your negligence of not giving anything in return in the past, reach and agreement or else make a proper offering, give thanks for his help and that next time you'll be more carefull, and dismiss him statiting "until I call you again".
That's my humble, non-expert opinion and advice.

I like this advice, Markus.

If I'm really honest, the main reason why I haven't treated him better is because I've been worried if I did, that it would constitute demonolatry, and I've read that if you do offer to some of them, or are otherwise excessively obsequious with them, they will use that as grounds to lie to you or manipulate you in other ways.

Truthfully, however, I've actually treated him with less civility than I would most people in "real" life, and although I feel as though my conscience has actually been bothering me about that as well, I didn't know whether or not that was simply him inserting ideas into my head, since I read other people saying that they can do that.

I might have to get some more incense in and evoke him again, a little more formally this time, and thank him for his help with my younger brother. I won't go overboard, but I will try and acknowledge what he has done, perhaps.

Truthfully, however, I've actually treated him with less civility than I would most people in "real" life, and although I feel as though my conscience has actually been bothering me about that as well, I didn't know whether or not that was simply him inserting ideas into my head, since I read other people saying that they can do that.

I might have to get some more incense in and evoke him again, a little more formally this time, and thank him for his help with my younger brother. I won't go overboard, but I will try and acknowledge what he has done, perhaps.

Well, hell, there's your problem.

Respect is NOT arrogance, although there's a fine line there. Just because you're in control doesn't give you the right to be an ass. The fact your conscience has been bothering you about this tells me a lot, and I doubt it's because Paimon has been messing with your head. I'd recall him, tell him thanks, I really appreciate the service you gave me, and I'm really sorry for being an ass. I've learned from this and while I'm still the boss, your ass-kicking has taught me a little humility and I promise to do my best to NOT be an ass in the future. That may be a little more direct than what you're aiming for, but I've found with these beings that being direct, though respectful, is what works best. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Try it and see. Civility and a willingness to learn from your honest mistakes will get you far in the spiritual world, too. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

For the record I've never worked with Paimon, I haven't had a reason to, so take my advice with whatever amount of salt you like. And Markus's post is good advice, too.