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VitalWinds
post Nov 25 2008, 08:21 PM
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i was recently thinking about inviting a spirit or jinn of some sort to share my body. im sure an entity with no corporeal form would enjoy the change and im sure i could put the extra energy to use. obviously there is potential danger. i realize that. i would just like to hear your opinions on whether or not i should do it, and if i do, how to go about it, or what kinda spirit to invite.


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post Oct 11 2009, 06:49 AM
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I would not invoke a djin. Actually I would not invoke *any* entity except for one.
that's what Evocation is for (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bigwink.gif)
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I have done/am doing something similar to what esoterica has commented on. And for those who have a more strictly western esoteric perspective, invoking the higher self is quite similar to HGA (higher guardian angel) work. I probably take things a lot further than most paths in this regard though.

My understanding of it is that the 'higher self' is in fact a form of deity. In that it is an 'infinite being' (not like a super egregore deity as found in most religions). One of the posts in this thread labeled the higher self as a facet of the self's psyche. I disagree, that sounds backwards to me. I would say that the 'regular incarnate self' is but a tiny facet of the higher self. If I (everything about me, this life, this persona, consciousness and unconsciousness, etc) am a leaf, then my higher self is the tree. not the other way around.

My impressions of the higher self are: timeless, infinite, serene, powerful, enlightened, omniscient, and just generally amazing. it is my understanding that all 'infinite' beings are in effect "one", as nothing which is 'infinite' fails to encompass everything else which is 'infinite'. But that infinite being-ness is infinitely depersonalizing. So we see beings which span from 'infinite' to 'finite' in a sort of dualistic state of being. one foot in 'Aum', the other in a finite state, having a persona. Actually I've been taught that this is the ideal state (rather than the more popular eastern idea of being 'just' infinite, as in nirvana), being technically 'broader in scope' than infinity itself. which probably sounds badly confusing, but anyway...

I have a longstanding intimate relationship with this being, of whom I am a facet, as a sort of personal deity in my path. Actually you could sum up my entire occult path as a mutual effort between her and I to bring myself into a state of harmonious parity with her. Towards this end, the goal is not to just 'possess' me, but to encourage me to grow into a state of oneness with her. An additive process, rather than a supplanting one. In instances where I have evoked her, the purpose was to give me a feel for some facet of her own nature & paradigm. Or just as an exercise in intimacy.

Currently, after some 8 years of this path, I find that the line between gets a little blurred in places. But I do still basically view her as 'external to the self'. For example, I still harbor romantic feelings for her (actually very intense romantic feelings). Which would be fairly 'odd' if I fully viewed her and I as 'one'... or maybe it wouldn't be odd, i dunno. I've been told that when my path is complete, I will still be 'me', just "me +". In effect, my own persona, but joined with her (and technically all other infinite beings) at the depersonalizing infinite end of my existence. I guess in a way you could almost view that as being an 'offspring' rather than a merger. Which might explain why she described herself as my 'Mother' in our early encounters. hmm.
anyway, that's the game plan.

she's the only thing I'd invoke. no other entity has any business in this body. although I am growing less body-centric in my sense of self, and there may come a time when I don't care what happens to it. still, I would think this body would have sentimental value, even after outliving its usefulness... hard to say.
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vampirism is, in my opinion, a perfectly workable way of maintaining energy levels without making any energy of your own in the normal way living people do. I myself haven't made any energy internally in... well a very long time. perhaps not ever. the energy flows in my body involve an outward accessing of energy resources, and channeling that through the upper chakras, from the solar plexus on up. The lower chakras with their root-based energy generation seem in myself to either be entirely missing or completely nonfunctional. For quite a lot of years I accessed the personal energy of other people. But I came to find that method of energy resourcing 'obsolete'. Because of just general increases in proficiency at manipulating & working with energy, and increasing astral capability, and my relationship with my patron, I found myself knee deep in possible options for accessing energy, other than 'people'. I really wasn't trying to find an alternative, I was fairly comfortable with my energy lifestyle, it simply changed as I grew spiritually. I no longer think of 'people' as having all that much energy really. Which I suppose sounds elitist, but I don't think there's anything intrinsically 'better' about having more or less energy. I spent a large portion of my life with pretty dismal energy levels due to my lack of internal energy generation, having more or less energy is no status symbol in my view. I have oddles & gobs of energy now, and it doesn't mean anything except for being somewhat empowering. But anyway, I do basically still 'access' energy rather than generate it. I just don't access other peoples' energy (unless they want to, in which case it'd just be an exercise in intimacy, not a significant energy resource). Instead I typically just charge up really obscene amounts of energy and let it overflow into people around me all day. Its more fun to do that, instead of 'taking'. But I digress.

I think your basic idea for maintaining energy without a body, through vampirism, is a workable one. At least in my opinion. I have seen in some more 'off the beaten path' psi vamp discussion & materials, some talk of 'bodiless' vamps, essentially like a psi vamp which is astral projecting, but without a body to return to. Mostly talk of such a thing seems to suggest that this is a particularly 'potent' and skilled sort of psi vamp. And there is even some talk of such a being simply possessing a living person as a means of incarnating, much like a 'walk-in'. That last bit sounds a little fanciful to me. Although I don't think it sounds functionally impossible.

I have run into astral psi vamps, but not often, and I had no way of knowing if they had a body to go back to or not. For the most part, on the astral, I don't see much 'vamping' being done by highly magically capable beings. Mostly it seems that more simplistic entity parasites are the ones doing all the vamping. Which matches with my experience that sufficient magical ability can obsolete the need for others' personal energy. But this is all just 'rule of thumb' impressions on my part.

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VitalWinds   Sharing My Body With A Jinn?   Nov 25 2008, 08:21 PM
Jenfucius   i was recently thinking about inviting a spirit o...   Nov 25 2008, 08:25 PM
VitalWinds   Just be careful what you invite in. I would at le...   Nov 25 2008, 09:06 PM
bym   Do...not...do...this! Read my Cautionary Tale ...   Nov 27 2008, 01:09 PM
VitalWinds   i suppose i'll hold off on that then...   Nov 27 2008, 05:15 PM
azareth   True ,its dangerous,but yet it maybe a very intres...   Apr 5 2009, 02:16 PM
esoterica   i am working on invoking my eternal soul into my p...   Apr 6 2009, 12:08 PM
azareth   "how did you do your invite? - just say ...   Apr 7 2009, 03:07 PM
Aphrodite   I think its an interesting idea. I agree that you ...   Apr 7 2009, 03:29 PM
Zosimo   I would also NOT recommend it--especially at age 1...   Apr 7 2009, 07:06 PM
esoterica   i would definitely recommend going for possession ...   Apr 8 2009, 08:57 AM
Casadeluna   i would definitely recommend going for possession...   May 12 2009, 09:21 AM
azareth   "i would definitely recommend going for posse...   Apr 11 2009, 02:57 PM
Aphrodite   I think I should invite/invoke Stiri into my body ...   Apr 11 2009, 05:03 PM
davisxmonster   you are all saying invocation is powerful, then i ...   Apr 19 2009, 02:17 PM
Aphrodite   you are all saying invocation is powerful, then i...   Apr 19 2009, 04:12 PM
davisxmonster   ....no i actually kinda got the idea from members ...   Apr 19 2009, 05:47 PM
Vagrant Dreamer   It is a perfectly valid approach to invocation. ...   Apr 22 2009, 05:24 PM
MrSprinkle   hmmmmm.... sounds like a great idea, but then agai...   Apr 19 2009, 11:00 PM
holyhandgrenade   Go for the gold and invite Belial in! Joking. ...   May 11 2009, 04:01 PM
VitalWinds   i think i'm gonna try it out. i'll have my...   Oct 8 2009, 01:17 AM
xXDaemonReignXx   Hay esoterica. Did you find your eternal soul simi...   Oct 8 2009, 03:11 AM
bym   There are a variety of ways to maintaining the ego...   Oct 8 2009, 03:39 AM
xXDaemonReignXx   Yes It is getting of topic here So I may make a ne...   Oct 8 2009, 05:54 AM
Shimi   i was recently thinking about inviting a spirit o...   Feb 23 2010, 04:46 PM
monkeyGeneral   For your consideration: A recent narrative by Han...   Feb 24 2010, 05:39 PM
bym   monkeyGeneral, Thank you for posting those links...   Feb 24 2010, 09:55 PM
monkeyGeneral   monkeyGeneral, Thank you for posting those links...   Feb 24 2010, 10:29 PM

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